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CBDunkerson at 23:24 PM on 17 January 2012New research from last week 2/2012
Looking at these posts makes one appreciate just how staggering the amount of information the IPCC processes must be. Likely there is a degree of pre-filtering provided by the amount of subsequent attention various papers attract, but I've seen some fairly obscure references in the IPCC reports as well. It is also interesting to note that 'anti-consensus' papers seem to get published fairly frequently... which runs against 'skeptic' claims of a 'grand conspiracy to hide the Truth' (though the total number of papers being published also shows how absurd that is), but also indicates more skeptical scientists than I'd thought were still about. Ironically we seem to hear alot more about the ones who publish seldom or never but spread disinformation to the media. -
JMurphy at 22:50 PM on 17 January 2012New research from last week 2/2012
Piers Corbyn would probably be a worthwhile subject for a rebuttal, seeing as how he always seems to predict great freeze-ups and is favoured by quite a few naive so-called skeptics : who prefer his secretive astrology to proper science. No surprise there, then... -
hank at 22:26 PM on 17 January 2012Arctic methane outgassing on the E Siberian Shelf part 1 - the background
You quoted from the abstract of http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rcm.5290/full: "values near gas hydrates .... can thus be interpreted to result from either the gas source or associated microbial processes" The paper isn't saying samples found near a gas hydrate definitely came from the gas hydrate. It's discussing whether it's possible to tell that or not. Answer: maybe. A clearer description is in the Conclusion: "CONCLUSIONS ... These results suggest than any measured changes in the isotopic values of environmental samples are a direct result of some other fractionation process, such as a different gas source or microbial processes."j The word 'different' was omitted from the Abstract. The ratio may be useful to identify gas found in the water as originating either from gas hydrate or from "a different gas source or microbial process" -- but they found an unexpected change in ratio during formation of the hydrate which is going to take more lab work to characterize before this test can be relied on, if it can. -
Esop at 22:05 PM on 17 January 2012New research from last week 2/2012
What I find curious are Cohens claim of overall NH cooling since 1988. In at least most of Scandinavia and large parts of the US, the exact opposite is the case, except for winters 09/10 and 10/11. Seems that Cohens forecast for the 2011/12 Northern European winter was a warm one, just like the MET office forecast. Spot on so far. Funny to note that Piers Corbyn, the favorite forecaster of the Mayor of London, who lucked out last year, failed miserably this year. The MSM didn't print anything on that failure, though, as they only hassle the MET office, not the professional disinformers. -
Tristan at 22:04 PM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
Onsite search engine is only good for certain queries. Some pithy comments about the opposite team sneak through but I think it's been improving of late. 9/10 for user-friendliness. Given that SkS has quite a strong community, are there any plans to implement community functions ie. off-topic forums, meet and greets etc? -
TheTracker at 21:11 PM on 17 January 2012New research from last week 2/2012
This is hands down my favorite feature one the web and each weekly installment is like a Christmas present -- nice to see the broadcast on more channels. Thanks! -
Kevin C at 19:47 PM on 17 January 2012New research from last week 2/2012
Cohen et al is interesting. GISS agrees that parts of the NH have shown winter cooling on 1988-2010: [Map] Apart from Siberia, the effect disappears on the annual plots: [Map] Does this contradict polar amplification? Probably not, the zonal mean trend graph has a slight dip at 50N, but doesn't go negative, and is strongly positive at the pole. (While their maps are consistent with GISTEMP, Figure 1(b) is probably rather misleading, being based on the a short times span of the hopelessly incomplete CRUTEM3 data). -
prokaryotes at 17:37 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
Almost 1 year ago, today... Rep. Waxman Presses for Inquiry on Global Warming Denier Pat Michaels -
dana1981 at 16:08 PM on 17 January 2012Gillett et al. Estimate Human and Natural Global Warming
My feelings exactly, Albatross. -
Doug Hutcheson at 16:06 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
cygnus@2 Thanks for the link to that video. Surely it must be an offence to knowingly mislead Congress? Aren't witnesses presumed to have sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Michaels is supposedly an expert who knows better, not just some guy they met in a bar. Who was it who said "half a truth is a whole lie"? Jeez, I must have led a sheltered life: I would have expected a patriotic American to guide his government to the best of his ability, not misguide them. -
John Brookes at 14:32 PM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
Tom Curtis@23, thanks for quoting that. I'm not a Christian, but if I was, then those two commandments would be my guiding light. If Jesus were to return today, I expect he would have to spend a bit of time with various "Christians", explaining to them how they missed the whole point of what he said. I expect he'd also disapprove rather strongly of the attacks on climate scientists. -
Albatross at 14:25 PM on 17 January 2012Gillett et al. Estimate Human and Natural Global Warming
Dana, This is what Dr. Annan had to say about Gillett et al: "This new [linking to Gilett et al.] paper also suggests that the transient response of a modern model (albeit a particularly sensitive one) has to be significantly downscaled to match observations. Mind you, that paper also has a worrying discrepancy between the results obtained with 1900-2000, versus 1850-2010 data. Normally one would expect the latter to be broadly a subset of the former - more data means closer convergence to the true value - but the two sets of results are virtually disjoint, which suggests something a bit strange may be going on in the analysis (cf Schmitter et al with the land-only versus land+ocean results). But just a glance at the first figure shows a striking divergence between model and data over the first decade of the 21st century (compared to the close agreement prior to then). Something isn't quite right there." [Source] -
Albatross at 14:16 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
prokaryotes @17, The fundamental error and its implications is discussed at Deltoid. But to be fair, that time they did not delete inconvenient data, they were just being grossly incompetent. -
prokaryotes at 13:51 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
From the first link in my post #16 In 2004: Michaels-McKitrick Climate paper basic error Michaels "co-operated with Ross McKitrick on another paper that managed to "prove" that global warming wasn't happening by mixing up degrees with radians." -
prokaryotes at 13:26 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
Publication of deliberately false climate change data literally ought — i.e., MUST — be treated, not as a peccadillo, but as a Crime Against Humanity. False climate change data a Crime Against Humanity -
prokaryotes at 13:23 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
Extensive profile of Patrick J. Michaels, and an entire page only about Patrick_J._Michaels's funding -
apiratelooksat50 at 13:20 PM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
Sphaerica at 21, Yep, I acknowledged the current problem, but in no way underestimated the the potential future problem. As a matter of fact, I pretty much said the same thing as Feely did in the conclusion of his paper (emphasis mine): "While field data on the impacts of CO2 on the local marine ecosystems of Puget Sound do not exist, laboratory and field experiments with related species of calcifying organisms suggest that there is a real cause for concern for the health of this economically important marine ecosystem. Similar processes may be causing decreases of pH and aragonite saturation states in other coastal estuaries and embayments of the Pacific Northwest and elsewhere. Further study of ocean acidification in estuaries is thus warranted because natural factors including acidic river inputs and restricted circulation can predispose these ecologically and economically important habitats toward corrosive, hypoxic conditions, and anthropogenic stressors such as nutrient enrichment may compound them." Your creative writing, as usual, is quite good. However, your Russian Roulette analogy is highly innacurate and inneffective. I either stated or inferred in 11, 14, 16, and 19 that further study of OA is justified. Therefor, I would no more pick up that gun thinking it had one bullet in it than you would thinking it had 6. Analogies should never be used as arguments to reach a conclusion, and should never substitute for reason and logic. -
actually thoughtful at 13:11 PM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
*The onsite search engine is atrocious - I will start searching from outside, like renewable guy. (you have to get the term exactly right or you get the dread zero results) *Moderation is a little bit shaded towards confirmation bias (friendly posts/posters are given more latitude) *It would be refreshing to find SOME issue where the doubter/denyers/skeptics got it right and to highlight that in a post (if this exists - again watch for confirmation bias) *Or, variation on the above - pull out the reservations in each paper that COULD support the denier point of view - let the readers decide - sure and little green men COULD be on the moon - not very likely! All of the above does not prevent SkS being the most approachable science information source in the history of the world! -
littlerobbergirl at 12:42 PM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
DB - yes its a good idea in theory, and already happens on a casual basis via comments and links flagged up in the comments, but i was thinking of endless timewasting requests by some readers trying to skew the 'public opinion'. i was also a little unsettled by that recent thing in the u.s. from the republican geezer asking for suggestions from the public of which scientific grants to axe - the wisdom of the masses is easy to manipulate, especially online. -
littlerobbergirl at 12:29 PM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
hi dana, glad you getting noticed! writing style for general consumption cracked i reckon; very clear, no jargon (barmaid understands all), no sarcasm (despite this guy being such a prime target), no reps except last para, excellent clear graphics as usual. sorry, i sound like a school teacher! cheers, lrg -
Stevo at 11:41 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
Hmmmm, the old schoolyard problem. When the brats cannot win the argument they revert to threats and bullying. Hang tough, Katherine. So smart, so erudite, so brave, and so cute! -
Bob Lacatena at 11:40 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
14, Pirate, I think you are grossly misinterpreting the situation by putting too much emphasis on what is causing the problem today, while ignoring the much more tragic and seemingly inevitable problem that will come to pass if we don't get our carbon emissions under control. In a nutshell, I'm saying that the study points to how bad the current problem is, with numerous causes, while recognizing that the future problem will be much worse and the cause then will not be in doubt. You counter that fossil fuel emissions possibly only contribute in part to today's problem. By focusing on the immediate instead of the future you openly avoid the larger problem. You're like someone who has been playing Russian Roulette and now is somehow overjoyed at your great fortune at having survived five pulls of the trigger, while darn well knowing that you still have a sixth and final pull to go – one that you can't possibly win. -
John Hartz at 11:07 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
Related reading: "Reef fish at risk as carbon dioxide levels build” The Age, Jan 17, 2012 This article summarizes the results of a just published, peer-reviewed paper about how ocean acidification may affect the nervous systems of certain fish species. -
littlerobbergirl at 10:14 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
9/10, absolutely my best source of links to give to non scientists. re. funglestrumpet's suggestions: i agree on some reorganisation of the the little boxes - cute but a bit mystifying, i thought they were all stuff on various 'skeptics'. oh wow i just tried the 'oa not ok' a whole resource on ocean acidification! catchy but unintelligible acronym, and on such an important subject. maybe make it more obvious? tamino has a rolling strip of latest comments, which is quite useful for those of us who want to chatter but not so much for the casual reader. practical but not very useful. the 'suggestions for articles from readers' idea relies on the volunteer writers being willing to have their subject matter determined for them - not practical. on the idea of recording all previous posts by a commentator linked to by clicking their name, that's what you get on a message board like those at the wonderful bbc. it makes it very easy to organise one's conversations, and to identify trolls, but i'm sure it must take up loads of server space. the independant farms all its comments out to a separate company, and i dare say pays handsomely to do so. probably not practical. links - so many links in the texts, not really adding anything by having a general list. one problem i do have is the site loads funny - it takes pages a minute to settle into their proper shape. probably my ancient computer's fault and being at the end of the line in a village slows everything down. i do really appreciate the lack of ads, third party cookies, facebook and all that guff, which slow my loading time on other sites even more. keep up the good work!Response:[DB] "the 'suggestions for articles from readers' idea relies on the volunteer writers being willing to have their subject matter determined for them - not practical."
The suggesting person could also then nominate a subject area expert [i.e., someone other than me ;-) ] who could then be contacted for article submission. Or one could volunteer a suggestion and then write the article themself [how I got my start].
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les at 10:12 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
45 - with all this religion going on; someone just had to start quoting from the Jedi cannon... ... ballance is always good. -
Daniel Bailey at 10:09 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
I must echo the thoughts of Albatross @ 39 above:The topic of this thread is the vitriolic, hateful and even violent threats that are being made against not only Dr Hayhoe, but other Climate scientists and their families.
So as much as I have enjoyed the fruits of the overall dialogue here, I must ask all participants to limit their comments to that premise. Thank you all in advance for your cooperation on this. -
Tom Curtis at 09:52 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
TOP @40, unless you are implying that Matthew 22: 34-40 does not imply that "Christians are called on to love their neighbours" you are straining at gnats. (It is also not a quotation in the ECI Manifesto, as can be noted from the lack of quotation marks.) Exodus 20 is better, in that it at least mentions loving God. However, it still does not assert that is it necessary to love God in order to love humans. Your exegesis is clearly not based on accepting the message from the Bible, but on imposing your message upon it, as previously noted. I also note your belief implies that Fred Hollows did not love his fellow man. The obvious absurdity of that claim becomes sufficient refutation. Finally, I find it interesting, but bizarre that the New England Aquarium (NEA) should be quoting from the Bible. Thank you for informing me of that fact. -
Sky at 09:50 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
Definately a 10. -
apiratelooksat50 at 09:48 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
RP at 17 I am not "concern trolling" and furthermore find that accusation offensive and disappointing on your part. I read your statements that you reposted here and that is what led me to look at other sources of information. I did not insinuate that atmospheric CO2 is not a factor in OA. I actually agree that it occurs. I even plainly stated that the premise has validity and justifies further research. It was plainly written and there is no room for misinterpretation - unless one wants to misinterpret. -
Rob Painting at 09:39 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
william @ 15 - "Acidification doesn't strip sea water of shell building Calcium but it does make it unavailable. I know, I'm splitting hairs" You're not splitting hairs, you're just plain wrong. Please read the SkS series "OA not OK" on the left-hand side of the page. It's the reduction in carbonate ions that causes problems for marine life that build their shells & skeletons from calcium carbonate (chalk). And on the Arctic, that region is likely to experience near-surface waters that are corrosive to marine life in about another 5 years. Ocean acidification is unravelling fast in the polar regions. -
cynicus at 09:36 AM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
tmac57, I may have another one: professional disinformation. Anyhow, now that these problems have been shown, will the WCR staff correct them? The IPCC did fixed the Hymalaya error (took a while though), so as the WCR strives to be better then the IPCC I assume they will fix pronto? Chip, tell me you will please... -
Rob Painting at 09:23 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
Pirate - in your attempt to concern troll you have not bothered to comprehend comments made earlier this thread. Particularly comments 4. This what I wrote. "Tatoosh Island (at the entrance to the estuary containing Puget Sound) has seen a drop in pH much lower than fossil fuel emissions would suggest, so clearly there is some other aspect which is not yet understood." Also in comment @ 6 - I wrote: "Quite ironically part of the problem is intensified seasonal upwelling along the coast due to global warming. The strengthening winds lead to greater upwelling of corrosive deep water. This will be moderated depending on what phase the PDO (Pacific Decadal Osciallation) is in, but the source of the upwelling is water that was last at the surface around 40 years ago. In other words it will, most likely, progressively worsen." Yes, many other factors are in play, that's simply a reflection of how significantly humans are altering natural systems. All these human perturbations are causing problems for natural ecosystems, not only atmospheric CO2. And to insinuate that atmospheric CO2 isn't a problem when the oceans are now more acidified than they have been in many millions of years is simply preposterous. I expect better from someone who claims to teach earth sciences. The fact that ocean acidification is a likely kill mechanism for numerous ancient extinction events, and coral reef extinctions and crises is a reason for scientific concern. The preferential extinction of marine life which depended heavily on calcification (calcium carbonate shell/skeleton-building), or less buffered marine life, clearly implicates ocean acidification as the culprit. This should be a worry to every person on the planet because the current rate of increase in atmospheric CO2 is unprecedented in Earth's history (as far as the paleodata allow). It is around 5-27 times faster than the PETM extinction & 15-30 faster than the Permian Extinction (the Great Dying). Fortunately we don't have enough fossil fuels to replicate the total CO2 output of those extinction events, but it's the rate that is the concern. There will be tears before bedtime, of that we can be sure. -
funglestrumpet at 09:04 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
Rating: about 8/9 Suggestions: Make the Monckton Myths, Christy Crocks etc section more formal in layout (looks a bit childish at present). It should have a title, such as: Prominent Mis-Informers. Move the OA not Ok, Interactive ... (needs checking as it appears broken!), Prudent Path and Lessons ... to their own separate section – they are not myths or crocks etc. Add a list of threads currently being discussed on this site. Have provision for visitors to suggest a new thread (the number of times something is suggested will indicate how important it is to the public at large). Have provision under the Comments tab for having a list all personal comments made by the person logged on and include references to their name so that replies are easy to see. At present, there are so many topics each week, remembering what one has said is a bit daunting. Then finding the comments and searching for replies is all a bit much. I now tend to comment and leave it at that. If people reply then I often don’t get round to finding out. It goes without saying that these should be in date order with latest at the top, and have a limit to one month, say. If possible, have an automatic email notification of replies posted. Overall, this would require a discipline regarding posting replies, such as: 'name'@X being required. Perhaps even having provision for replying to the actual post in situ, as some sites do (tabbed in to mark a reply), which would make the argument easy to follow (and drive John Cook mad, I suspect). Have links to all other prominent sites dealing with the topic of climate change. I suggest that this should even include WUWT. It would tell visitors that this site is sufficiently confident of the veracity of what it posts that it doesn't fear what other sites say. Have it near the myths section and the visitor will know that they can always return to see what the grown ups say. Leave a comment not yet submitted in a draft folder if the writer goes off somewhere else on the site in order to check something instead of just wiping the comment clean and lost to all (said with feeling!) Over and above all that, I am extremely grateful for all the hard work that is put into making this site as excellent as it is, thanks! -
pbjamm at 09:04 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. -Yoda -
Tom Smerling at 08:41 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
Chris G @27 -- Totally agree with you that denials stems from fear. Anger is not a primary emotion; it is always the product of pain or fear. Scratch the cyberbully and you find a scared kid underneath. The imagined threats are ludicrously bloated -- "Al Gore's UN-based global eco-conspiracy will take away my SUV" -- but the emotion is all too real. My #1 personal take-away from the December AGU meeting was this "note to self": It's the fear, Stupid! -
pixelDust at 08:21 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
I realize this would be a big undertaking, but a comments system that allowed you to subscribe to threads and be notified (via email or a message on the homepage) of new responses would be great. Speaking of comments, here's a fairly significant bug: Skeptical Science Opera glitch - comment text doesn't wrap -
apiratelooksat50 at 07:22 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
DB at 11 I will respect your interpretation and administration of the Comments Policy. I did not intend to make insinuations of ideology and impropriety, and am not sure that I did. My apologies if my statement came across that way. Perhaps I should have used the word selective instead when referring to the press release issued by the CBD. The original research clearly lists natural and anthropogenic nutrient enrichment as the dominant cause of hypoxic and acidifying conditions in the bay. A reasonable attempt to estimate the amount and the impact of antropogenic CO2 is made. There premises have validity and as a scientist I think it justifies the need for further research. However, the CBD press release only refers to the absorption of CO2 by the oceans and ignores the nutrient enrichment issue. This may not be entirely the fault of the CBD staffer who wrote the press release because they don't have a science background. (-Snip-)Response:[DB] Off-topic snipped.
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william5331 at 07:03 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
Acidification doesn't strip sea water of shell building Calcium but it does make it unavailable. I know, I'm splitting hairs. Think of the local effect when methane clathrate breaks down and the methane combines with the oxygen in the water to make Carbon dioxide. Acidification and anoxia all in one package. The Arctic ocean, especially off the coast of Siberia will not be a pleasant place for sea life. Then the dead animals will contribute their load of oxygen consumption and methane/oxides of sulphur/ammonia production. http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2008/07/arctic-melting-no-problem.html -
Minkie41 at 07:03 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
We all abhor bullying,and in the case of Katherine Hayhoe this loathing is even more pungent because the object of the attacks is a woman.Would some enterprising North American resident establish an AGW Cyber-Bullies site?Hayhoes,Hansens,Manns and so on can then shovel the foulness into it so it can be source-sorted.Bios of the bullies could be developed so we end up with a repository of nastyness on which disinfecting sunlight might shine. -
apiratelooksat50 at 06:45 AM on 17 January 2012Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
Sphaerica at 12 I 100% agree with you that science is forward looking. If you had read the original paper you would have seen this statement immediately following the paragraph you cut/pasted from Scientific American: "Of course,the uncertainty on this calculation is very high, as other changes that may occur over the intervening time were not taken into account, such as increased water temperature associated with anthropogenic climate change and its effects on biological and physical processes (e.g. Bopp et al., 2002; Hofmann and Todgham, 2010); changes in terrestrial inputs of nutrients, freshwater, and carbon linked to climate or land-use change (e.g. Borges and Gypens, 2010); or changes in marine inputs due to basin-scale changes in ocean circulation (e.g. Rykaczewski and Dunne, 2010)." The looking forward that needs to be done includes all the items listed above. -
dana1981 at 06:27 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
rockytom - thanks very much. renewable guy - there's a Search bar towards the top left of the page. -
renewable guy at 06:25 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
I depend a great deal on SKS for information when conversing with the skeptics. My fastest way of finding the posts that I am interested in is to do a search in google outside of the web page. Is there a faster way inside the web page I don't know of. Or can a search or list based on key words be brought inside the web page? -
amhartley at 06:25 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
TOP, you said I'm "cherry picking," based on Matthew 8:27 & Matthew 14:26 "bearing in mind Matthew 8:26." I'm not sure how to interpret that, except to suspect you claim that, because God controls the weather, we don't need to worry about it? However, if we read God's sovereignty that way, then I suppose we could dispense with all acts of kindness & mercy. After all, whatever God wills, will happen. To me, that's cherry picking as well, of an even more extreme form. My apologies if I'm taking this in a direction you didn't intend. Plz help. -
rockytom at 06:18 AM on 17 January 20122012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
I have been a fan of SkepticalScience.com and the excellent postings all along. I give the site a 10. Thanks to all the participants and especially John Cook and Dana. -
rcglinski at 05:47 AM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
Has no one reproduced Hansen's '88 study using actual measured data as opposed to scenarios A, B & C? It's been almost 25 years, that might make for an interesting investigation. -
John Hartz at 05:44 AM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
Dana's excellent article has been cross-posted in its entirety on both Climate Progress and on Planetsave. "Cato’s Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data” Climate Progress "Patrick Michaels Loves to Delete Inconvenient Data” PlanetsaveResponse:[dana1981] Thanks, also by Climate Crocks and Deltoid.
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TOP at 05:38 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
daniel1
The last part about Jesus ecological footprint is interesting and that he owned and earned nothing. That is not strictly true. For most of his life he was a "technon" as was his father. We typically translate that word carpenter, but it was more than that. He had his father's business and perhaps was more of a building contractor familiar with stonework. It was only when he started his ministry that he left that part of things to his brothers, in part to make sure his mother was cared for while he traveled the countryside. And Jesus was considered a winebiber and glutton by his enemies. The difference between a Christian caring for the world and the present discussion is that the motivation to do so comes from God, not men. That is flipped around in the ECI statement. -
Ian Forrester at 05:37 AM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
If Michaels, Singer, Ball, Spencer, McIntyre, McKitrick et al. were executives in a public corporation and committed such fraud in a Prospectus, Financial Statement or MD&A there would be an outcry and charges would be laid. Why are people associated with think tanks, Universities and other Institutions exempt from this? For example, three top executives of Nortel Networks Corporation are on trial today in Toronto for such examples of fraud. -
Chris G at 05:25 AM on 17 January 2012Patrick Michaels: Serial Deleter of Inconvenient Data
tmac57, Putting on my pedantic hat, those in denial honestly believe, whatever belief that is; I find it difficult to imagine scenarios where you can exhibit a bias toward deleting information contrary to your position and still be called honest. -
TOP at 05:22 AM on 17 January 2012Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
@Tom Curtis
This is the quote out of the ECI Manifesto I was referring to:Christians must care about climate change because we are called to love our neighbors, to do unto others as we would have them do unto us, and to protect and care for the least of these as though each was Jesus Christ himself (Mt. 22:34–40; Mt. 7:12; Mt. 25:31–46).
While it cites the full text of Mt. 22:34-40 it only quotes a portion of it, and it is the quoting of a part of it that I am taking exception to. Sorry Tom, I meant Exodus 20:1-17. For some reason chapter 19 always sticks in my head and I have to flip the page. Anyone familiar with the text would have caught that error. There was a paper that was read at the NEA in December that quoted the whole passage. The NEA notes that Evangelical Christianity has historically cared for the poor with which I am in full agreement both in thought and deed.
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