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  1. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    I find it highly entertaining--and insightful--seeing the two "Dales:" One is the Dale we know who is, IMHO, at least a fake skeptic but makes the attempt to work it all out as a real skeptic, and for that I give you/him/her credit. Then, there is the "Dale" that posts over on WUWT (when JC/DB *force* me to go read it--jk, fellers!) and that Dale is....ah, er..., well, let's say not as charitable towards SkS and the scientific method as one might think he/she would be, as many here can be charitable towards Watts. That said, I think it's just another bit of data, showing how utterly screwed-up the general public's (and almost all of the MSM's) understanding is, of what constitutes true, ethical journalism and scientific debate. Can't remember who stated it here, but it hit me like a lead balloon: "Error" in scientific debates does *not* mean the same as it does in general conversations; it means a level of uncertainty. To my somewhat steam-powered brain, it's not a far reach to see how disconnected all the various parties are wrt the filed of climate change research. I can only hope forces such as this site, Tamino's, DeSmogBlog RA et al, can stem the flow of stupidity, before it really is too late. PBS certainly deserves the oft-overused term of 'epic fail' in its broadcasting of Watts as anything like a credible source of information.
  2. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    "When asked to describe his 'skepticism' about human-caused global warming, Watts went into a long discussion about his concerns that encroachment of human development near surface temperature stations has introduced a bias into the temperature record. However, what Watts failed to mention is that the scientific groups who compile the surface temperature record put a great deal of effort into filtering out these sorts of biases." If this assertion - the scientific groups who compile the surface temperature record put a great deal of effort into filtering out these sorts of biases. - is true, (-snip-). "5.1.3 Planning for Thermal Impacts Experiment Initial funding was provided this year by the USRCRN Program for a multi-year experiment to better understand the thermal impacts of buildings with parking lots on air temperature measurements." NCDC Annual Report
    Moderator Response: [DB] Imputation of dishonesty snipped.
  3. Philippe Chantreau at 02:55 AM on 21 September 2012
    It's not bad
    Well, I'm not entirely sure but the way I see it, AH1 argument is this: More atmospheric CO2 will lead to higher PaCO2 in circulating blood of live healthy animal subjects. This is a good thing because higher PaCO2 leads to reduced lymphocyte production of active oxygen forms and improved mitochondrial efficiency. The anesthesiology study on therapeutic hypercapnia applies to deperately ill patients on ventilators who are receiving what is called in medical jargon "heroic measures" so I consider it a stretch to apply that at any level to healthy subjects. In support of this theory, AH1 cites effects seen in high altitude acclimated subjects, under the assumption that these subjects experience higher than normal PaCO2 and that (it seems to be the argument) the higher PaCO2 is the reason for the beneficial changes. AH1 also asserts that people living at high altitude have better life expectancy. Let's examine the antioxidant part. It refers a number of studies by Kogan, Bolevich and Diliniak, with various others, that rely on chemoluminescence of lymphocytes. In this study it is found that the effect applies to healthy subjects but to only 30% of subjects with bronchial asthma, suggesting a possible decreasing sensitivity in subjects experiencing higher than normal PaCO2 due to the asthma. In this further study the same authors reach the following conclusion: "It may be held that the literature-described use of carbon dioxide for the treatment of bronchial asthma is justifiable only in a lower proportion of patients who have preserved a high sensitivity to the inhibitory effect of carbon dioxide on the generation of active oxygen forms." That's already not so encouraging, back in 1996. These studies are 16-17 years old and relied on chemoluminescence as an indication of lymphocyte activity. This articel, which predates the Kogan studies, shows some difficulties in interpreting CL results: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7663293 Further investigation revealed that the changes in chemoluminescence observed were rather a consequence of the CO2 concentration itself than that of CO2 induced lymphocyte inhibition: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12033328 I work with COPD and asthma patients quite often in a critical care setting. I have not heard of any form of hypercapnic therapy applied to these patients for the purpose of preventing free radicals formation. I looked at more recent reviews and did not see mention of hypercapnia. 17 years later, it does not appear that the line of research followed by Kogan, Bolevich and Diliniak was actively purseued by others. Permissive hypercapnia is normal in deperately ill ARDS patients because there are things taking much higher priority in these patients that bringing down the PaCO2, namely ensuring adequate oxygen delivery to the vital organs. Consideration on other claims to follow.
  4. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    The amount of funding avaialable for science pales in comparison to the Trillions of dollars in income that the fossil fuel industry has generated over the past couple of centuries and will generate under a "Business as Usual" scenario in the future. The Wattsonians have spent way too much time rattling around in the Climate Denial Spin Machine. It has negatively affected their ability to think in a rational manner.
  5. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    Dale @ 104: Using words like miniscule and thus might make you sound smarter, but it doesn't make you any more correct. Would you care to back up your assertions? This is not a case of 'opposing sides have extreme views, so the truth must lie exactly in the middle'. Or even anywhere near the middle. The truth is that there has already been a lot of research into the future impact, and it overwhelmingly looks bad.
  6. It's not bad
    DSL, ok, I see that now. Main conclusions  The current loss of mesic trees in the Sudano-Sahel zone appears to be driven by the sharp drop in rainfall since the 1960s, which has effectively stranded anthropogenically distributed species beyond their rainfall tolerance limits.
  7. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    caerbannog@22, I try my darndest to not visit WUWT, anytime, irrespective of what may squirt from my nose..;( I really only visit it when I *have* to, and it's usually some dad-blamed thread on here that makes me--forces me--to go there. Something about the cessation of a hammer and its collision with a/my head, methinks. finally, I'm *pissed*, and not in the Aussie way: Where the hell are all *my* funds, from being a "money-grubbing" scientist?? The "gravy train" I see resembles more along the lines of a Lionel choo-choo, than anything like..yannow..keeping one foot ahead of bill collectors. Starve with dignity, I say!
  8. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    I am amazed that most of Ms Curry's comments have nothing to do with the science. the closest she gets is talking about uncertainty, but even then, she seems to believe it only goes one direction.
  9. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Interesting article John. Being a relatively late comer here, I was not aware of the early beginnings of SkS. Myself excluded, together with your team you have accomplished an amazing achievement. Your success and integrity when communicating the science are obviously rubbing certain personalities in the blogosphere the wrong way-- no longer will their distortions and cherry-picking go unchallenged. It is pretty sad that their only response thus far have been repeated personal attacks, vitriol, bluster and the hacking of the private forum. Surely it would require much less effort on their part to avoid twisting and contorting the data and science in the first place? They must have no idea how poorly such juvenile and mendacious behaviour reflects on them (for those of us who are in touch the world outside blogs), because they seem incapable of stopping themselves. In the meantime, I am confident that SkS will continue to do an excellent job refuting the stream of misinformation, spin and misrepresentations made by "skeptics" and those in denial about anthropogenic global warming. Not to mention also elucidating the complexities of climate science to a broader audience.
  10. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Followed that link to Curry's site and read her post. Wow. She's really has gone off the deep end. How sad.
  11. It's not bad
    No, Eric. I was objecting to AHuntington's apparent claim that desertification was a primarily human-caused phenomenon.
  12. Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming
    @AHuntington1 #56: As they say, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" Please Google "Climate change and desertification" and read some of materials listed. You just might learn something new.
  13. Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming
    @AHuntington1#56: Thanks for the providing the link to the peer-reviewed paper, "Nature and causes of land degradation and desertification in Libya: Need for sustainable land management." In the paper's Abstract, the authors state: "Among others, overexploitation of natural resources, inappropriate land use planning, insufficient water resources etc. are the main factors escalating the process of desertification and deteriorating environmental quality." Some of the factors cited are caused by human activity and others are not even identified. My position is that the natural environment existing at any location on Earth has been and will continue to be affected by changes in the planet's global climate system. From my perspective, your sweeping assertion that desertification is primarily caused by human activity at the local and regional scale may hold true in the short-run, but will not hold true in the long-run. In the long-run, desertification has been and will continue to be driven by changes in the Earth's global climate system caused primarily by the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation. Note: When I refer to the "global climate system" I mean the standard definition used by climate scientists. The entire system includes the atmosphere, the aquasphere, the cyrosphere, the biosphere, and the lithosphere.
  14. 2012 SkS Weekly News Round-Up #1
    Must Read America's the only nation? Who broke into the Hadley Center email server?
  15. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Clockwork: Not quite Friday Funny . "Apparently Mr. Cook doesn’t feel the Nature editorial putting science on notice saying: ‘Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming’ is worth heeding. It’s climate activist comedy gold." Look at said editorial at Nature . Apparently mr Watts can only read bold lettering so he got stuck in the first line and didn't manage to read what follows: "As climate change proceeds — which the record summer melt of Arctic sea-ice suggests it is doing at a worrying pace — nations, communities and individual citizens may begin to seek compensation for losses and damage arising from global warming."
  16. It's not bad
    On another thread AHuntington1 and DSL were debating the potential of Hadley cell expansion to cause drying in the horse latitudes which would be considered a negative consequence. While Hadley cells are expanding, the expansion is seasonal and it is unclear what will happen in the future, see http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2009JCLI2794.1. The effects of measured expansion in the Hadley cells depends greatly upon geography. The result over the ocean is fairly certain, there has been expansion. The result over land is very uncertain, see for example http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2538841/ in which they state that the greening of the Sahel is a potential (and rare) example of a beneficial tipping point. See section starting with "Sahara/Sahel and West African Monsoon (WAM)" and note that there are large uncertainties. Reading these two references I'm not even sure that Hadley expansion has any relevance at all in the Sahara and Sahel.
  17. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    I'll have to admit to be a new user happy to stumble across your site. I have to say congratulations after reading your first paragraph. Technical acceptance with media and educational institutions sure to eventually overcome the dollars of denial.
  18. Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming
    AHuntington, thank you for the clarification from "desertification" to "anthropogenic desertification." For a minute there, I thought you were trying to blame the general process of desertification on humans. Humans can obviously cause desertification, but circulation-based desertification is the primary mechanism and has been for the duration.
  19. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Note to self: I *really* gotta get a new keyboard. This one makes ~way~ too many typos......;) To keep that from happening, you might want to refrain from visiting WUWT while sipping hot coffee. ;)
  20. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    caerbannog: No problem. I've just discovered Web Workers, which have solved a major headache I had in developing the app (i.e. avoiding constant callbacks or freezing the browser during the calc). So I might be able to get the project moving again. Hope yours goes well.
  21. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    NEWS FLASH: The SkS "Skunk Works" is located in John Cook's vast wine cellar. The fumes affect SkS authors everytime we meet there. Most of the George Soros funding received by SkS is used to pay for the travel expenses of SkS authors flying to and from their home location to Queensland, Australia. Until this year, we held an annual summer meeting in an igloo in the Arctic circle.
  22. It's not bad
    My understanding of AHuntington1's position so far: 1. CO2 will improve mitochondrial respiration, which he presents with evidence of small scale, controlled and very focused laboratory experiments. 2. His statement is presented without any evidence of an actually realized positive benefit in at least some living creatures, and certainly not all. 3. He self-admittedly makes no statement of the ultimate value of this benefit in the real world because he has not/will not put it into the context of all of the real world negative impacts that will accompany such a "benefit." 4. He has not (presumably because he agrees it does not exist) presented any evidence that such a benefit would mean that increased CO2 levels will ultimately be more beneficial than harmful to human civilization (which, in the end, is the whole point, isn't it?).
  23. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    Bernard@103....FaceTube. Get it right. >;-D
  24. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Just another quick note: I uploaded a "WattsBuster Light" zip file to tinyurl.com/WattsBusterLight. It does not include the GHCN temperature data, so is a much smaller download.
  25. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Note to self: I *really* gotta get a new keyboard. This one makes ~way~ too many typos......;)
  26. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    JohnHartz@3: I *think* you meant, "repealed." >;-D To echo some here, I'm grateful for SkS and its wide and very deep database: I find I access it almost daily in combatting the denilati on other various blogs. I look forward to doing more to help address this critical issue and thank all the "regulars" for educating me way better, and faster, than going back to school. Anyway, by the time I *might* be able toa fford schooling again, 21 December will ahve come and gone. *Poof*.....:)
  27. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Just a quick note -- I forgot to include an important file in the "WattsBuster" package that I uploaded to the WattsBuster link. So to anyone downloaded the zip file at that link, you will need to download it again. Apologies to those with slow net connections. Note to Kevin C: As much as I'd like to help, I don't have any experience developing browser-based apps -- by the time I got up far enough on the learning curve to be of much help, someone else with real experience in that area could probably have that all pretty well wrapped up. But here's hoping that an experienced developer out there will take up that ball and run with it. It looks like a very worthwhile project.
  28. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    One of my other regular science-based blogs routinely discusses the rhetoric and conspiracy-mongering of the anti-vaccine movement, both as an isolated instance of anti-science denialism and as a component of the wider phenomenonof "alternative medicine". That the behaviour of self-styled "skeptics" is indistinguishable from the behaviour of anti-vaccine activists (who may be found at such august fora as Age of Autism or Thinking Mom's Revolution) or alt-med charlatans such as Mike Adams or Joe Mercola speaks volumes.
  29. Dikran Marsupial at 21:27 PM on 20 September 2012
    It's not bad
    AHuntington1 I offer this as helpful advice. SkS is interested in a fair portrayal of the science. We would also wish these metabolic benefits to be considered if there is good evidence to suggest they actually exist. So far you have pointed to a mechanism that suggest that there may be an effect, but have not provided any evidence that unequivocally suggests there is a measurable effect in vivo all things being otherwise equal. Evidence of a change in glucose metabolism at altitude is not evidence of this as there all things are not equal as the reduction in atmospheric pressure means there is less oxygen, rather than just higher CO2. It doesn't surprise me that respiration is less efficient at altitude (as we are not evolutionarily highly adapted to life at altitude) and therefore requires more energy. As a result, we are skeptical of you claims, but are willing to be persuaded. Is there anyone other than yourself that is currently proposing this hypothesis?
  30. Record Arctic Sea Ice Melt to Levels Unseen in Millennia
    The Polyak-link is broken, there is an extra www.skepticalscience.com/ in the URL.
  31. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    #13 - me neither!!!
  32. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    It's worth pointing out that the SkS author community is made up of a larger pool of volunteers than is apparant from the team page. Also, as author of a handful of articles published at SkS over the past year or so, I can honestly testify that no World Government Eco-Nazi Billionaire funding has found it's way to me yet!
  33. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    I've always enjoyed SkS for the factual content, so a big thank you. The Lewandowsky response though, is just hilarious. My favourite from one of the Watts threads (remember, Anthony is furious about skeptics being portrayed as conspiracists):
    POSTER: I also want to know why Jo Nova’s site shows a notice saying it has been ‘Suspended’. What is behind this? REPLY: DDoS attacks. She’s had a couple of threads outlining them. I wonder what sort of group might want to take down her website? Oh, wait. – Anthony
    Wonderful.
  34. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    And, btw, it is not "Dana's attribution" either, he only interprets the data, but has not done the research. That is to say, comments that find errors in posts are most welcome, so they can be corrected. Comments that point to different interpretations of the data used in a post, need to be made equally clear and are welcome when constructive.
  35. Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming
    AHuntingdon1 A: "Overgrazing can cause desertification" (not detested) BTW, this does not jibe with your comment @51, last paragraph B: "Desertification is observed, therefore overgrazing must have been happening" (incorrect conclusion, aka logical fallacy) Correct: Desertification can be caused by other factors aside from overgrazing, or any grazing. For instance, a change in climate, particularly increasing T alongside reduced rainfall, can cause desertification. When posting at SkS, try making cohesize statements as you would in a written text for students, not blurbs that can be misinterpreted. You maybe perceived as a troll.
  36. Bert from Eltham at 16:32 PM on 20 September 2012
    SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    I have donated vast sums to SKS and you still tell me off when I am scientifically wrong! Your integrity is something to be feared. This situation is just wrong as you should advocate what your backers want not what is real that is based on evidence. I do not know how you know that I do not know. All I know is you are not a nice person and worthy of much fruitless investigation. I will remain not yours seething in ignorance and hope! Bert
  37. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    caerbannog and any other interested coders: One of my side projects has been re-implementing a computationally efficient version of the temperature record calculation in Javascript so you can run it in your browser (assuming it's a recent one) with no other software. I've currently got a rough working version which has options to switch between CRU-like or GISTEMP-like calculations from the CRU data (GHCN planned). You can also pull in the HadSST2/3 data to produce a land-ocean index. Results are graphed in the browser using an HTML5 canvas. In CRU-mode the calculation takes a few seconds, in GISTEMP mode a minute or two. The project is stalled because I'm working on a more important project. If anyone wants to get involved and make this come to fruition I'd be very happy.
  38. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    I'm very annoyed with SkS. You've been running a conspiracy and yet I have not been invited to partake. Harrumph. (Insert sarccy smiley about here.)
  39. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    I would have thought GC had passed algebra. Guess not.
  40. It's not bad
    No, it doesn't help anything. You refuse to specify the benefits you anticipate from additional C02 in the atmosphere.
  41. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    OK, I've been working on what I hope will turn out to be a useful instructional software package. I didn't know what to call it until skepticalscience provoked the latest Watts "melt-down". That inspired me to call it the "WattsBuster" package. ;) Basically, I built on the crude global-average temperature project that I had posted about here many moons ago -- I "duct-taped" an updated version of my global-temperature code together with gnuplot and the QGIS (Quantum Geographical Information System) app to produce a "pointy-clicky roll-your-own" global-temperature computation package. The package consists of a QGIS "client" plus a global temperature anomaly computation/display "server". To create the "client", I hacked at one of the QGIS plugins a bit to get it to extract the ID# of the station that was just clicked on and send it to the "server" side via a TCP socket connection. I then created a QGIS project file that when loaded into QGIS, creates a global map display overlain with clickable GHCN station locations. The server side (my simple global-anomaly code inside a TCP server-socket "wrapper" function) then launches a gnuplot session (via popen) that displays the raw and homogenized data of the station that was just clicked on. If you just click on a station on the QGIS map, the server app displays just the data for that station. If you hold down the control key while clicking on stations, the server app updates/displays global-average temperature anomalies based on the stations that were "ctrl-clicked" (i.e. each station that gets "clicked" on gets added to the average). The gnuplot display window shows results computed from raw and homogenized data, along with the offical NASA/GISS "meteorological stations" index for comparison. Below the global-average temperature plot in the gnuplot window is a plot of the number of the selected stations that actually reported data for any given year. So when the temperature estimates for the stations that you've selected deviate significantly from the NASA/GISS results for any given time-period, you can look to see how many (or how few) of your selected stations actually reported data for that time period. In my experimentation with this setup, I have found that by the time you've selected 30-40 stations (globally scattered) that report data for any given time period, the global-average results line up quite nicely with the NASA/GISS results. This holds true for both raw and homogenized data. It's really quite remarkable how few stations you need to produce global-average temperature results that line up nicely with NASA's. By the time you've selected a few dozen well-scattered stations, you will see that raw data, adjusted/homogenized data, rural data, urban data, etc. all produce similar results that line up amazingly well with the NASA results. I have found that the raw data results actually tend to match the NASA results a tad better than the adjusted data results do - go figure! I've tested the setup on Linux 32 bit, OSX 32/64 bit, and Windows-XP/Cygwin 32 bit systems (systems I had access to for testing). The stuff I've put together is useable, but it's definitely still in the rough "proof of concept" stage. It's definitely a bit of a project to get set up and running. Folks who have Linux boxen with all the trimmings will probably have the easiest time of it. It will be a bit more work for OSX and Windows systems. For OSX, you will need the gcc/g++ compiler package, a working X-server, and gnuplot (which I was able to compile from source-code very easily on a 6-year-old macbook). For Windows, you will need Cygwin/X (with the X-server, gcc/g++, and gnuplot packages). Cygwin/X includes gcc/g++ and gnuplot, but you have to make sure that those packages are selected by the Cygwin installer. QGIS is available at: www.qgis.org Gnuplot is available at: www.gnuplot.info Cygwin/X is available at: www.cygwin.com I've uploaded the whole ball of wax (including all the temperature data you need) to this easy-to-remember link: tinyurl.com/WattsBuster There's a README file in the package that explains (hopefully clearly) how to get everything up and running.
  42. It's not bad
    when I say overall, I mean including every other potential factor (eg. maybe the analysis would add points for increased rates of mitochondrial respiration and take points off for old people dying of heat stroke).
  43. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    It has been a while since I commented here
    'geoffchambers', is that you?
  44. It's not bad
    doug_bostrom, let me clarify my meaning here, I am not making predictions on net effects regarding the overall cost benefit analysis of anthropogenic Co2 emissions. I am making a claim on the specific effects that elevated Co2 has on the organism, which should be included in any cost benefit analysis. I am not claiming that anthropogenic Co2 emissions are either good or bad- overall. A missing factor in any cost benefit analysis can skew the result one way or the other. Does that help clear up the issue?
  45. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Brilliant writing John. Am I the only one thinking there must be a book/movie deal in this?
  46. PBS False Balance Hour - What's Up With That?
    (-snip-). Can any of you explain that given Dana's attribution of 110% of climate change to CO2?
    Moderator Response: [DB] The endless complaining about moderation (snipped above) does you disservice and accomplishes the very thing you complain about: you force the moderation staff to intervene. Either find a different venue to complain in or cease with the complaints & offer up substantive comments that add to the discussion, not detract from it.
  47. Extreme weather isn't caused by global warming
    John Hartz, well here is one piece of documentation implicating overgrazing (a complete land management issue) as a causative factor in desertification. http://www.academicjournals.org/ajb/PDF/pdf2011/17Oct/Saad%20et%20al.pdf There are many more- just google overgrazing and desertification if you wish to access them (or I will post more). Bernard J., Of course rumen-adapted bacteria primarily survive by living in the rumen of a grazer- I didn't mean to imply that they survive outside the animal for long.- lol I am talking about the bacterial carcasses, water, fiber, nitrogen etc. that the fecal matter and urine of massive herds of ruminants provide to decomposers on the drier soil surface- extending their lifespan a little further through the hot bacterial winter. Ruminants fertilize, chop grass, and till the earth's surface simultaneously. Lay out my non sequitur for me please, I am having trouble seeing it.
  48. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    Andy@4, That's a standard practice of most "skeptic"-criminals, including those who stole the East Anglia emails and later distorted Phil Jones' correspondence. All of that described with details in Mike Mann's book "Hockey Stick and Climate Wars": arguably one of the best documentary books on this subject.
  49. It's not bad
    Ahuntington1: I am not making predictions on net effects That's a remarkable typo. Reminds me of the epic crash of the ski jumper that was shown as part of the program intro for ABC Sports events. Just seemed to go on forever!
  50. SkS: testimony to the potential of social media and the passion of volunteers
    I'm reminded to put in a plug for PICS. Those are good folks, they arranged a fine tour, got radio shows, etc. IF you ever get a chance to go, try to do, not just Vancouver and Victoria, but go to Prince George, at U of Northern British Columbia, about an hour's flight from Vancouver. They've done a great job on sustainability and they love to see outside speakers.

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