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william5331 at 06:26 AM on 25 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
Gaia has many negative feedback mechanism to keep temperatures reverting to the mean. We have seen one of them this summer as more heat from the Arctic Ocean gave rise to low pressure systems which shaded the ocean and decreased ice melt. What is disturbing is the concept of the light switch phenomenon. The thought that when we push the system beyond some point some of the negative feed back mechanisms will no longer be enough to hold the line and we will flip into a new regime. If the slow creep we see now is disturbing, a sudden change would be far more serious. The "up the down escalator" graph suggests we may be close to another lurch upwards. Let's hope it is no more severe than the previous ones.
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michael sweet at 05:37 AM on 25 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Lei,
There are many different opinions represented here on SkS. Taxes are not usually discussed so there is no agreement on what is best. I have never heard any scientist suggest that a carbon tax should be diverted to fund scientists, only deniers suggest that such a tax is an option. Where did you come up with this proposal? Please cite references to support your wild claims.
One prominent scientists' proposal to address AGW is tax and dividend, from James Hansen (who is an independent). This would tax carbon emissions and 100% of the tax would be refunded to the people on a per capita basis. There would be no money diverted to any other spending. The government would get nothing from this proposal.
Why do you so strongly object to this proposal when net taxes for most people would be decreased? My impresson is that you are uninformed and are just looking for a fight. You used very strong language to introduce yourself and were then offended when people replied with less offensive terms.
As a beachfront landowner I would think you would be concerned about sea level rise. The ocean is currently about 9 inches higher than it would have been without AGW. How high is your property above sea level? Will another foot or two of sea level rise endanger your property? I have visited Tuvalu which is about to go under due to AGW. Are you willing to pay to relocate the people who live there? This is happening now, it is not a theoretical idea that might not happen.
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Marco at 05:34 AM on 25 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
MA Rodger, according to the journal's website, TWO members of the editorial board resigned:
http://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/1/2/74
However, compared to March 9 of this year, there are THREE names missing.
Apart from Brierley, Jason Evans and Caroline Ummenhofer no longer appear on the list of editors.
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
I agree, lei -- and thank you for the reasoned response. The situation is not simple. The economic interest is overwhelmingly the most powerful interest that drives human decision making--at least under the current economic mode. It's not the only interest, and it's not in the driver's seat all the time. To ignore it, though, is to deny reality. Worse is to expect to change that reality overnight.
At this point, the problem becomes one of ethics: right behavior. Do you think it's better to avoid addressing problems that aren't yours personally (you may be dead by the time significant economic impacts occur), or are you willing to address a potentially significant hit to the global economy if the evidence is reasonably good, even though you may never have to face the hit personally?
This is where Michael Fumento's piece from a few years ago comes in handy. Fumento, a former Reagan advisor, argues implicitly that the new Right (read: Tea Party) is no longer concerned with the future. They no longer see conservatism as the natural compliment to liberalism. I would say that this is the natural progress of postmodernism: a cultural logic that encourages the individual to pick and choose evidence in order to construct reality to his/her taste with no system of accountability beyond economic security. Some celebrate this situation; some condemn it.
If you refuse to fund projects that propose to help make life more bearable for future generations, do you do so from instinct, from ideology, or from evidence-based reasoning?
And then how do you answer this problem: what happens to government and taxation policy in a world where what you might call "alarmist claims" actually play out as reality? In other words, can you think of a better way to grow government and taxation than to push the global climate out of kilter (think: three+ billions living in cities, highly dependent on the cheap and consistent delivery of food, water, and energy)?
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Lei - "Emotion is paramount in these discussions."
Indeed it is. And your emotions, not to mention your stated personal investments and livelyhood, appear to be overriding your ability to view reality.
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John Hartz at 03:47 AM on 25 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Lei:
Your obsession with taxes blinds you to the reality of manmade climate climate change. Do you have absolutely no concern for the world that we are bequeathing to our children and future generations?
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Beyond taxes, the implications of impending climate change for landowners in warm climates is huge. Human emotion is directly tied to one's investments and one's livelihood (in scientist's case).
Emotion is paramount in these discussions.
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Kevin C at 01:32 AM on 25 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
Republishing material is not academic misconduct. While it will usually be against the journal requirements for a research paper (but not an invited or review paper), a journal can choose to print whatever it wants. The only misconduct would be if the author had misrepresented the history of the work to the journal. We have no evidence of such a misrepresentation.
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Ah, there are so many aspects to this problem.
But, you must not forget that "deniers" FEEL powerless in regard to their taxes and that they will welcome anyone who tells them there is HOPE that their taxes will not increase. Wouldn't all scientists like it if there was a way to reduce their taxes? Of course they do - they want any taxes spent on the military or smokers to go away. Or welfare.
And, in fact, if you want taxes for welfare to go away, you are in good company with government workers who cannot come out in the press to say it - but they are some of the most adamant about the gross waste and outright fraud. You should aid these people because many citizens would rather gentle scientists (if you are gentle) are funded than ex-cons or women who deliberately have children to push up their housing aid.
If you think taxes are unimportant and unrelated to the discussion of climate change then you are a denier.
I own beachfront in a northern, wet, climate and tourists cancel when there is too much rain. Twice this summer (colder and rainier than normal) the rental managers have stated there was a rash of cancellations due to rain).
I wouldn't mind at all if the climate changes for the hotter ranges, but it doesn't appear to be to many of us.
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enSKog at 23:29 PM on 24 September 2013Invitation to join second offering of free Climate Literacy course
I am signed up for "Global Warming: The Science of Climate Change". Any comment on the differences between the 2 courses? The whole MOOC movement is certainly beginning to make some great resources available.
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Tristan at 23:05 PM on 24 September 20132013 SkS Weekly News Roundup #38B
<redacted> yeah! That's what I'm talking about!
https://www.facebook.com/climatecouncil
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neilrieck at 21:50 PM on 24 September 2013Invitation to join second offering of free Climate Literacy course
A "climate literacy" program is a great idea. I am currently reading "Reality Check: How Science Deniers Threaten Our Future (2013) by Donald R. Prothero" where a chart on page 109 includes a list of the top 34 countries by GDP but ordered by the average level of scientific comprehension by their citizens. The countries from 28 to 34 are: Greece, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Cypress, The United States of America, Turkey. Yep, Americans sit between Cypress and Turkey which partially explains why there is so much climate denial coming from the USA.
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MA Rodger at 21:12 PM on 24 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
StBarnabas.
And because of it one of the members of the editorial board resigned in protest. We can but hope that the remaining members have got the message.
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Roger D at 12:51 PM on 24 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Moderator - got it -thanks for taking the time to explain. I will familiarize myself with the policy.
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Roger D at 11:01 AM on 24 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Moderator -I had a comment here in response to Lei's first two comments from 9/23 that has been removed. Was that because one of the two comments from Lei was removed and the other largely snipped so my comment was out of context - or because i broached the SkS Comments Policy? I think others have responded to Lei's commnets better than I did but I was just wondering.
Moderator Response:[DB] On behalf of the moderation staff, it is unfortunate that sometimes, in the process of moderating out egregious violations of the comments policy, direct responses to such deleted comments are perforce also moderated out. This policy is designed to engender on-topic dialogue and open discourse based on the science, free from intemperate atmospheres as are found in many other venues. Unfortunately, sometimes innocent responses such as yours get caught up in the action.
One suggestion is to familiarize yourself with the comments policy sufficiently to recognize the violations of others...and to not respond to them, knowing that the moderation staff will deal with them. Typically a wide latitude is given, but repeat offenders get shorter leashes.
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Rob Honeycutt at 10:46 AM on 24 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Lei said... "No insulting words should ever be uttered by gentlemen and scholars."
The problem is that "denial" is a clinical term that has been used for about 150 years. Suddenly, when it's being applied to a group of folks who are clearly in denial (thus, "deniers") the term is redefined as offensive.
The outrage over being labeled what is an accurate term is, in itself, a form of deflection. Denial of denial.
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scaddenp at 07:42 AM on 24 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
"Denier" is a reasonable term for someone who effectively puts fingers in ear and cries "la la la" when confronted with published science. A fake "skeptic" is someone who challenges every piece of published science (good) but swallows without question any half-cocked blog commentary that happens to coincide with their views.
Scientists are paid fairly modest salaries that arent linked to funding. More funding means you could employ more scientists and could fund more experiments (read satellites) to find the answers.
However, what most scientists want is for people to stop burning fossil fuel, simple as that. Doing that will mean frankly that you will probably pay more for your energy (but you might pay less tax if you killed off all subsidies to fossil fuel industry).
You will improve engagement if you provide supporting statements to your assertions.
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funglestrumpet at 04:58 AM on 24 September 2013Latest myth from the Mail on Sunday on Arctic ice
I would have thought that if a journalist can be shown to have deliberately made erroneous statements on a topic that is very likely to do great harm to their country, it is not the PCC that should be called in to investigate, it is the Crown Prosecution Service, unless treason has ceased to be a criminal offence, of course.
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StBarnabas at 04:05 AM on 24 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
@MA Rodger
in which case this looks like academic misconduct. Journal papers are supposed to make an original contribution to the field and one normally has to sign a statement saying that the work is original and not just a rehash of previous work. The paper should have been rejected for this reason alone.
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MA Rodger at 03:19 AM on 24 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
The previous incarnation of this Akasofu paper was actually published in 2010 (not 2009) with a prior 2009 version unpublished but appearing on line. The big difference between these two eariler attempts was length (2009 - 55 pages, 2010 - 14 pages). This latest 2013 version is shorter still. And it has nothing new to say. Not a jot.
I feel it is telling that after 4 years all that has been achieved is a bit of editing. With nothing new to prop up his bankrupt theorising, Akasofu simply demonstrates the vacuous nature of his work.
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Lei, I read your deleted comments. They were not geared toward engaging in conversation. Setting that aside, though, I appreciate your re-engagement.
Also, you provide evidence for some of the stereotypes when you say, "You move them further to the right." Are these people so easily moved by irrelevant information? Is that not one of the points that is being made by people who argue that "conservatives" are not equipped or are unwilling to accept relevant evidence?
Terms like "denier," "liberal," "conservative," and "catastrophic" should be rarely used, because they immediately require explanation. Witness Michael Fumento needing a long essay to define "conservative." Richard Alley identifies as conservative, as do many other prominent scientists working in climate-related areas. Identity and practice, as you know, are often quite different.
And while I agree with you on the name-calling bit, there is a target audience for the term "denier." The term, for me, is meant to be provocative. My use is intended to make the claim that the person with whom I'm interacting is well-aware of the evidence but is intentionally disregarding it and is not willing to discuss that choice.
Here's some of what scientists have to put up with (pjones is Phil Jones of the UK Met Office). I wouldn't call these people "deniers," though. They are, however, the people who are led by the nose by deniers.
Moderator Response:[DB] Fixed text.
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Tom Curtis at 00:54 AM on 24 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Whoops. I took DSL's hint and checked Lei's original comment, which contained the gem:
"My biggest question is what do you want people (voters) to do about climate change besides hand YOU and YOUR co-workers VAST amounts of tax money?"
So, it is OK in Lei's book to insult us (and climate scientists) by suggesting we are involved in a conspiracy to defraud tax payers, but woe betide us if we should suggest some people are in denial about climate science.
I believe Lei has provided a perfect demonstration of my point @18 - and will prove it further by being unable to concede the point.
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Tom Curtis at 00:49 AM on 24 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Lei @17, if you read the works of "climate change skeptics", you will find the full of the most virulent insults. It is habitual for some to accuse the IPCC and the UN to be part of a plot to generate world governance. Others cannot help but compare defenders of climate science with Nazis on a regular basis. I personally have been compared to the KKK (although perhaps inadvertently). If people are influenced as you suggest, there should be a tidal wave of support for climate science and the IPCC.
People are not, I think, influenced by such mild terms as "denier", (ie, somebody who denies some well established body of knowledge) unless they are using the term as a pretext. And if they are that desperate for a pretext, they would have found another one no matter what we do.
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
When you use terms like "denier" you are insulting someone right off, who may be questioning climate change in the back of their minds. You move them further to the right as you are not using your vast knowledge of social science or human psychology that I know you all have minored in. Your wives should be able to advise you in this area.
No insulting words should ever be uttered by gentlemen and scholars.
It's not a war.
Taxpayers are utterly helpless. I feel sorry for ALL of them.
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Moderator Response:[DB] Moderation complaints snipped.
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Tom Curtis at 00:12 AM on 24 September 2013The sun is getting hotter
cstanyon69 @13, the chapter in question has just one out of 45 sections dealing with solar forcing. That section reads as follows:
"2.7.1 Solar Variability
The estimates of long-term solar irradiance changes used in the TAR (e.g., Hoyt and Schatten, 1993; Lean et al., 1995) have been revised downwards, based on new studies indicating that bright solar faculae likely contributed a smaller irradiance increase since the Maunder Minimum than was originally suggested by the range of brightness in Sun-like stars (Hall and Lockwood, 2004; M. Wang et al., 2005). However, empirical results since the TAR have strengthened the evidence for solar forcing of climate change by identifying detectable tropospheric changes associated with solar variability, including during the solar cycle (Section 9.2; van Loon and Shea, 2000; Douglass and Clader, 2002; Gleisner and Thejll, 2003; Haigh, 2003; Stott et al., 2003; White et al., 2003; Coughlin and Tung, 2004; Labitzke, 2004; Crooks and Gray, 2005). The most likely mechanism is considered to be some combination of direct forcing by changes in total solar irradiance, and indirect effects of ultraviolet (UV) radiation on the stratosphere. Least certain, and under ongoing debate as discussed in the TAR, are indirect effects induced by galactic cosmic rays (e.g., Marsh and Svensmark, 2000a,b; Kristjánsson et al., 2002; Sun and Bradley, 2002)."Your linked blog post claims that Judith Lean was the only solar physicist among the lead authors of the chapter. That may well be true. There were in fact 15 Coordinating Lead authors or lead authors to the chapter. If membership in that group was coordinated based on relevant expertise by section, we would expect just 1 in 45 (or 1/3 rd of a lead author) to be solar physicists. Given the nature of the topics discussed, that means solar physicists are over represented among lead authors.
Of course, the blog is carefull to not point out that lead authors are not the only authors. In fact, in addition to the 15 Coordinating Lead Authors and lead authors, there are 37 Contributing Authors. Given an assumption of proportionality, we would therefore expect approximately 2/3rds of a Contributing Author to be a Solar Physicist. In fact, there is at least one in the form of S. K. Solanki (and may be others that I do not recognize). Apparently the existence of at least one other solar physicist was not considered worthy of mention by the author of the blog.
The author of the blog also claims the section was based primarilly on just one paper, of which Lean was a co-author. In fact 16 papers are cited, of which only two have Lean as co-authors (Lean et al, 1995; Wang et al, 2005). For both of these, they are cited in conjunction with another paper of which Lean was not an author to make the point being made - and the first of these is cited because it was previously cited in Assessement Report 3. None of Solanki's papers are cited in that section.
It should be noted that 7 other papers with Lean as a coauthor, and two with Solanki as a coauthor are also included in refferences, but if cited, are cited in other sections of the chapter.
Not content with misrepresenting or concealing the basic facts of the case, the paper also attempts to claim the sun is responsible for recent warming by trotting out the original graph from Friis-Christensen (1991), which has been resoundlingly rebutted by later work, as explained here. It also includes some slanderous personal communications that attempt to rebut the PMOD composite by ad hominen, but I'll not adress those.
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Recursive Fury: Facts and misrepresentations
Phronesis - The majority of the Climate Audit posts on LOG12 that I have read (or rather, endured reading, as they are rather nasty) consist of speculative slander about Lewandowskys motives (for example, posts entitled "Anatomy of the Lewandowsky Scam", "Lewandowsky’s Fake Results", or lines like "... Lewandowsky’s tainted methodology – a methodology that relied on fake data to yield fake results"), claims that the data was trashed by scammed responses (no evidence thereof, mind you), and various conspiracy theories regarding how the surveys were distributed.
In his Trying (Unsuccessfully) to Replicate Lewandowsky post, McIntyre makes several errors that are apparently due to his unfamiliarity with exploratory factor analysis (EFA). These include inappropriate eigenvalue selection (using two factors instead of the one significant eigenvector) and use of the default 'R' language rotation that redistributes variance - useful in PCA, but inappropriate in EFA when you want to attribute those components back to the survey questions. This is discussed at some length by Oberauer and Lewandosky, laying out McIntyre's errors.
McIntyre has a history of poor or missing evaluation of principal component significance, as discussed on RealClimate with respect to the Mann et al papers. That's the original topic where you brought up McIntyre's LOG12 discussion, I'll point out.
I would consider this diversion an Argument from Authority on your part to support McIntyre's claims about the "Hockey Stick", and therefore a red herring WRT that discussion. Expertise in one field doesn't support an argument in another, it's a logical fallacy, and it seems quite clear to me that McIntyre has not demonstrated any expertise in EFA either.
Regardless of this side-track, McIntyre's claims about Mann et al have been solidly refuted, most clearly by Wahl and Ammann 2007.
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John Hartz at 23:56 PM on 23 September 20132013 SkS Weekly Digest #38
@chriskoz #1:
"Monking up the numbers" is listed in the "In the Works" section of the digest. Rob Honeycutt will need to tell us what his timetable is for completing the article.
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Tony Noerpel at 23:47 PM on 23 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
It would be interesting and even fun to interview Akasofu. He is quite a distinguished scientist and has no obvious ties to the extractive industries.
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Andrew Mclaren at 22:36 PM on 23 September 2013Nuccitelli et al. (2013) Debunks Akasofu’s Magical Thinking
We've seen Akasofu's unsubstantiated graph pasted onto to several climate-related commentary posts in Canadian media. As a layperson I suppose I resort to speculation at many times myself, but I can't help wondering whether his area of specialization (aurora) makes him of particular interest to other "cosmic" climate contrarians who promote the woozy ideas of Landscheidt, Mörner and Svensmark, due to some kind of neo-mysticism.
The one persistent commentator I am aware of using this swoopy-dippy climate "prophecy" seems to style himself rhetorically as some kind of high priest among contrarians. It's quite annoying really.
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cstanyon69 at 20:30 PM on 23 September 2013The sun is getting hotter
Got a question: have you heard of this one:
LINK
I'm sure it's rubbish; the premise is that Judith Lean, the lone solar physicist on the IPCC, had complete control over solar radiation readings. From what you've written above, this seems like tripe, but I'm not so familiar with the field to be sure.
Your comment?Moderator Response:[RH] Hot linked URL that was breaking page formatting
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BojanD at 17:20 PM on 23 September 2013Arctic sea ice "recovers" to its 6th-lowest extent in millennia
@Daniel, of course, I agree with every word. That you draw your conclusions from quality papers is what I always like to point out. Realclimate is also great in this regard. Thanks!
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CollinMaessen at 14:43 PM on 23 September 20132013 SkS Weekly Digest #38
@chriskoz Several bloggers have commented on the paper:
I did (Real Sceptic): http://www.realsceptic.com/2013/09/16/97-climate-consensus-denial-the-debunkers-again-not-debunked/#.UjdTIPwb7z4.twitter
WottsUpWithThat: https://wottsupwiththatblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/watt-about-monckton-and-the-97/
And Dana talked about it here on SkS:http://www.skepticalscience.com/debunking-climate-consensus-denial.html (see the section Taking Consensus Denial to the Extreme)
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chriskoz at 13:52 PM on 23 September 20132013 SkS Weekly Digest #38
What happened to "Moncking up the Numbers"? I guess it's likely about the latest (and only) Monckton's peer reviewed paper & I'm particularly interested in those numbers.
It's been in the coming up list for some time, not today though. I hope the topic did not sink into oblivion...
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
Can Lei perhaps give the proposition after the rhetoric has been scraped off? I've seen the rant (it's only commented out). I could paraphrase it, but I'd rather see if Lei is serious about engagement.
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The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
hank_, that's Jim Powell of the Cato Institute. It's possible that the claims have some seed of merit. It's also possible that Powell is representing the brand of libertarianism he's paid to represent.
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Phronesis at 11:03 AM on 23 September 2013Recursive Fury: Facts and misrepresentations
KR, are you saying there are math errors in his rebuttal of LOG12? Or in some other, climate-related work? If the latter, then your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. Well, it might be rational to not read his arguments if you thought he was too error-prone, but it wouldn't follow to be unimpressed by his arguments based on math errors from some other work. Bias is a pervasive human challenge, so any anti-skeptic or anti-McIntyre scholar would want to go into this issue with some bias-correction algorithms running, otherwise you won't be able to get a clean take on whether he's right or not.
You seem to know where his posts are already (there are 16?), so I'm not sure what good it would do to link you to them. Maybe I can highlight his key arguments sometime this week. LOG12 should never have been published, and I'm surprised it hasn't been retracted at this point -- either by the authors or by Psych Science. -
Latest myth from the Mail on Sunday on Arctic ice
David Rose's twitter feed Bob Ward of the LSE is also intending to take the Mail on Sunday to the PCC.
Bob Ward - who gave up his geology phd - says he's taking me to the PCC for reporting views of scientists so much more eminent than him.
— David Rose (@DavidRo21545155) September 8, 2013
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michael sweet at 09:44 AM on 23 September 2013The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
Hank,
The story lists less than a dozen companies that are building US facilities, at least two are chemical manufacturers. The story points out that natural gas and oil, the feedstocks for chemical manufacturers, are cheaper in the US than in Europe, which has nothing to do with renewables. Some of the facilities were worth less than 5 million dollars. The article contains a lot of fluff and little data. How many US companies are opening facilities in Europe? The article claims that wind is more expensive than fossil fuels whch is false. Why would they be installing so much wind in Texas if it wasn't cheaper?
It is hard to believe that at any time no more than a dozen European manufacturers are opening plants in the US. I would expect more investment if the US economy was more competative. It sounds to me more like complete hype. A commentor at Real Climate said all the companies involved said that they did not consider electricity costs as part of their moves.
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hank_ at 08:00 AM on 23 September 2013The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
@Philip #62
See this Forbes stroy regarding companies migrating to the US. They actually name the companies athough it's mor of an EU article than strictly German. There are issues with the rising costs of energy in Germany especially.
How Europe's economy is being devastated by global warming orthodoxy
Hard to believe this story is just hype.
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pikaia at 05:56 AM on 23 September 2013Latest myth from the Mail on Sunday on Arctic ice
David Rose is not only a climate change denier, he is also a (-snip-)
Moderator Response:[DB] Respectfully, this conversation needs to stay focused on the specifics related to climate science and the denial of it...and not to matters of personal failings.
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Alexandre at 05:13 AM on 23 September 2013The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
I'm a regular listener and always glad to see a new edition coming out.
The link theclimateshow.com does not work anymore for a while now (discontinued?). I guess the article should point to the corresponding hot-topic link instead.
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Hockey stick is broken
Phronesis - I have replied on the appropriate thread.
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Recursive Fury: Facts and misrepresentations
Phronesis - Given McIntyres propensity for basic math errors, I have been entirely unimpressed by any of his various criticisms of LOG12.
Until, however, you link to something in particular by McIntyre (there are at least 16 different McIntyre blog posts on the subject, but quite notably nothing peer-reviewed), you haven't presented any actual arguments in that regard.
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Jim Hunt at 04:48 AM on 23 September 2013The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
Philip - The Telegraph are next in my "little black book"! I have spoken on the telephone to someone purporting to be Hayley Dixon, and she certainly didn't sound like a "he"!
The editorial side of the DT haven't responded to my telephone calls or emails as yet. I guess I shall have to pester them again next week.
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Philip64 at 04:36 AM on 23 September 2013The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
@ Jim Hunt
What an excellent idea. It's about time someone tried out the PCC for size on a story like this. They've been criticised as toothless in the past; but in the wake of recent press scandals in the UK, they might just feel emboldened to protest.
As you may know, 'Hayley Dixon' who peddles climate change disinformation at the Daily Telepgraph is very likely David Rose. In this instance the article 'she' ran in the DT was virtually identical to David Rose's in The Mail. Admittedly professional deniers tend to repeat (endlessly) the same arguments and claims, originating from the same web-based pseudo-science blogs; but in this case the similarity was unusually striking.
The DT seems to have stepped up its campaign recently. It's been running piece after piece taken straight from the denialist playbook: pieces hinting at attempted cover-ups (without offering a shred of evidence); and an especially thin and inaccurate piece last week about Germany's energy policy, and how it's allegedly turning into a 'nightmare'. Among other nonsense in that piece, was a (long debunked) claim that Germany industrial companies have begun relocating to the US because of cheaper energy prices. No company was named - because no companies have actually done this. The one company that was once named in this connection explicitly denied that energy prices had anything to do with its thinking.
I suppose I'm saying that the DT should be in the dock too, given its record.
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John Hartz at 04:08 AM on 23 September 2013What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
All: The last two comments posted by Lei have been deleted because they were off-topic sloganeering.
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Jim Hunt at 02:59 AM on 23 September 2013The Climate Show #35: elections, extremes and a big wind
As we couldn't neglect to mention over on YouTube, we've set our hearts on hauling David Rose and the Mail on Sunday in front of the UK's Press Complaints Commission, since they have still failed to retract any of their monstrous "Myth making about Arctic sea ice" from two weeks ago.
For more information please see our own videos, and/or take a good long look around:
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What scientists SHOULD talk about: their personal stories
If you want personal stories, then you must listen to why people voted for Romney.
I worked for our state helping to dispense benefits to the poor. I am a college graduate and also worked on campuses. In my first year of school, I scored "gifted" and my school exam scores went even higher in the next years. I am part Asian.
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Moderator Response:[JH] You are skating on the thin ice of sloganeering and going off-topic. Please read the SkS Comment Policy and adhere to it. Posting on SkS is a privilege, not a right.
[DB] Ideology snipped.
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Daniel Bailey at 00:28 AM on 23 September 2013Arctic sea ice "recovers" to its 6th-lowest extent in millennia
As an addition to my earlier comment about scientific bodies referencing SkS, here's an example of NASA referencing SkS at it's Earth Observatory website:
Have a Question about Climate Science? #askclimate
My favorite was their response to this question:
Q: What is the main argument people have when they refute climate change?
A: Two (contradictory) favorites are 1) we don’t know anything and 2) it’s just natural. Neither are true. More at http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
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StBarnabas at 18:07 PM on 22 September 20132013 SkS Weekly News Roundup #38B
Sorry get a broken link on
"Case for climate change is overwhelming"
Can you check please?
Moderator Response:[DB] The link works for me. OS issue?
[JH] I had fixed the link but due to a glitch with my other computer, I wasn't able to post a note until now. All's well that ends well.
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