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  1. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Suggested reading: “Canadian climate scientist finds fame, hate mail in U.S.”, Toronto Globe & Mail, Jan 10, 2011 Click here to access.
  2. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    I also hope Dr. Hayhoe continues to speak the truth about climate change. As an evangelical christian I share her concerns and try to pass on what I know about climate to others who are willing to listen. Because I believe the facts of climate change and the dire consequences we face under a BAU pathway I have done everything I can to prepare myself to teach science to middle school students with climate change being one piece of that preparation. I know my students need every opportunity to personally practice measuring climate change and sharing what they find out with others to make informed choices. Perhaps if we invited people to share their knowledge and experiences they would be more willing to listen and make better choices? I certainly hope that will be the case with my students. Here in the Midwest USA people respond favorably to change when it is in their best interest to do so or they perceive their actions as helping their neighbors. After the 1993 Mississippi River flood wiped the town of Valmeyer Illinois off the map the town had to decide where to rebuild, the floodplain or the nearby bluff. One of the facts they had to take into consideration was the possibility of a worse scenario brought on by a warmer climate. Eventually, the town as a whole decided to stay together and move to the bluff. One of the reasons given was that, "It was best for us and our neighbors". Perhaps we should encourage decision makers to recast economic changes related to a warming climate as a help thy neighbor choice?
  3. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Suggested reading: "Climate Deniers Hit New Low With Vicious Attacks on Scientists" The Huffington Post, Jan 15, 2011 Click here to access.
  4. 2012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
    @#1[JH]... You're quite welcome. As you (and others) may note, I, too, possess the fat-finger-feature! :D
  5. Just Science app shows climate change is happening in pictures anyone can understand
    Are there any web widgets to transport climate change science?
  6. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Tom C, I was thinking along the same lines; a Christian should be bound to not harming their neighbor. I think that is what drives some people a little nutty. The facts are that we have all been culpable (well, most of us anyway). We can accept that, or we can choose to believe that either nothing bad will happen, or, at least, we are not responsible for it. How many people can ask themselves "How many people will die as a result of my actions?" and be expected to give a truly rational answer, even to themselves? In general, I find that it's best to put aside any feelings of guilt or blame that anyone has, and decide how to move forward from there. Tom S, Yes, acting out of fear. Switching to psychology rather than theology, fear and denial often go hand it hand.
  7. JoeTheScientist at 14:00 PM on 16 January 2012
    Climate and Sea Level: An Emerging Hockey Stick
    Bernard J - It's impossible to project meaningfully into the 22nd century. So much of the GW and SLR projections depend on 1. Population growth 2. Economic growth, and with it- energy growth 3. Shift to more GHG-intense fuels - peak oil, leading to more coal use and greater emission intensity Nobody can really predict where these drivers will go, and so the IPCC forecasts a range of possible scenarios. We have to know where these go in the 21st century before we can speak meaningfully of the 22nd. Right now there's an enormous amount of research in alternative energies. Today solar and other technologies cost much more than fossil alternatives, but in 15-30 years green technologies may wind up being cheaper, making them no-brainers to adopt. Just think of what happened with personal computers in 40 years! Unlike the 70s, when energy research was driven by fake scarcity created by OPEC, this time the scarcity is for real. This time the research won't just fade away.
  8. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    TOP, I suggest you review the following: Gen 2:15 on man’s / woman’s original purpose in the earth Isaiah 58:6 on “true fasting” Jeremiah 22:16 on “what it means to know” God Mt 25 on how to treat the Lord James 1 on “pure” or “true religion” Based on these passages, it seems to me that—if AGW is real—those Christians "from the liberal side," orthodox or not, have a pretty good handle on what God wants.
  9. 2012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
    Also in the second paragraph "torrent of hate" sounds like John Cook generated it. After reading the post, it is clear he didn't.
    Moderator Response: [JH] Fixed. Thanks.
  10. JoeTheScientist at 13:48 PM on 16 January 2012
    U.S. 2011: The Wet Get Wetter, the Dry Get Drier
    Martin - Perhaps nobody understands it. Climate change computer models are much better at projecting temperature than they are precipitation. (Rather like the 10-day weather forecasts. Temperature predictions tend to be more accurate than rain, which is pretty useless more than a few days out, even though they still make the 10-day forecast.)
  11. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    John Hartz at 13:00 PM on 16 January, 2012 Colin: The Climate Change section of the Environment Canada website contains information about the costs of potential action steps for reducing GHGs emitted by Canadians. Thank you John. I'll spend time there and see if I can find the answers. Perhaps the info is all out there and I've simply failed to find it. As an aside, I'll try to improve my own communication skills. Thank you all.
  12. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Though written for Christian audiences, Katharine's book, ,A Climate for Change is a model of clarity, simplicity and accuracy for any audience. Similarly, her slideshow for Republicans for Environmental Protection, "A Climate for Change: What is happening to our world, and what can we do about it?" has some of the clearest slides found anywhere, because they strip away all the clutter to reveal one key point. It is difficult to imagine how anybody with the slightest familiarity with Katharine's work or videos could possibly be so filled with hatred. She nails it when she says that those who heap scorn on climate science are acting out of fear, and "God is not the author of fear."
  13. JoeTheScientist at 13:33 PM on 16 January 2012
    Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Of course she was beset with hatred. That's because it's not about facts or science. It's about ideology, and she betrayed some evangelical folks who see themselves as the true representatives of "the faith".
  14. 2012 SkS Weekly Digest #2
    Not to be "picky," but perhaps a more appropriate term about the middles of the 2nd paragraph would be "solidarity." Feel free to omit/delete this remark from "publishing."
    Moderator Response: [JH] Typo fixed. Thank you.
  15. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Colin: The Climate Change section of the Environment Canada website contains information about the costs of potential action steps for reducing GHGs emitted by Canadians.
  16. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    @ Colin Thank you for sharing your opinion, Colin. But as you admit & the others have already pointed out, it is one lacking in substance and foundation. To aver that there are "sides" in the rational science vs the fake-skeptic "debate" is to lend a false equivalency where there is none. One "side" has science, the scientific method, robust theory and centuries of supportive physics and empirical evidence. The other "side" has just the opposite. You then pile-on to that foundationless gimcrackery with (what amounts to) substanceless tone-trolling (in that you very likely have not read beyond the names of the series in question to the posts themselves). The website is for those seeking to understand what the actual science has to say vs what the fake-skeptics would like for you to believe. There is much for you to learn here, should your mind not already be closed to learning.
  17. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    I find TOP's (@ 18) claim that "The use of the Bible in the ECI manifesto is "cherry picking"..." intriguing. The most prominent use of the Bible in that manifesto is to assert that Christian's have an obligation to "love their neighbour as themselves". The clear ethical consequence of "loving your neighbour as yourself" is that harm to your neighbours should figure as prominently, and with the same weight in your considerations, as harm to yourself; and that benefit to yourself should figure no more prominently, and with no more weight than benefit to others. This most onerous, and consequently most ignored, of Jesus teaching is recounted by Matthew as follows:
    “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
    As Luke's account makes clear, in Jesus' view your neighbour is anybody on whom your actions can have an impact, regardless of traditions of animisoty (if any), and regardlessof the existence of any prior personal relationship. In a world of global consequences, this means that for a Christian their "neighbour" is everyone in the world. Of this centrality of love, as Jesus' parable of the sheep and the goats makes clear, failure to satisfy the commandment to love your neighbour as you love yourself is equivalent to failing to love Jesus himself. John makes it clear that if you do not love your neighbour, you do not love God. And Paul makes it clear love is the most central aspect of Christian teaching. I could go on, but I believe that I have established the point. TOP's claim that the use of this passage is "cherry picking" is flat out false. So false, in fact, that nobody who has read and understood the Bible could honestly make it. Of course, most evangelical Christian's do ignore this passage for all intents and purposes. When they read Jesus' primary exposition of what it would actually mean to follow this central command, they say its all figurative, because they certainly recognize that it is onerous. Indeed, what is noteworthy about TOP's claim of cherry picking is backed by nothing but his own word. Apparently, it is a key part of TOP's theology that when TOP speaks ex cathedra he is infallible.
  18. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    skywatcher at 11:50 AM on 16 January, 2012 Colin #116: This web site ... is solely focused on promoting a particular view. Yes, it is, the view of rational science. What alternative did you have in mind? I wasn't suggesting an alternative... I think the rest of the quoted post explains my point.
  19. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Rob Painting at 10:34 AM on 16 January, 2012 Colin -"Each side continues to present seemingly endless amounts of scientific data" That is tone-trolling nonsense and completely false. I'm sorry you found my statement offensive. However, I don't think it's fair to summarily state that it is false. I made the statement from my own perspective as a non-scientific person. I was approaching the subject of "...obstacle to action..." from the perspective of someone who agrees with the need for action. I sincerely believe that more needs to be done to communicate the true cost of co2 reduction. Right now, that void is serving well the forces who oppose action by allowing them to make whatever outlandish claims they like to bolster their status-quo position. Our own federal environment minister recently stated that for Canada to meet the Kyoto targets in 2012, it would require removing every motor vehicle from the roads. That doesn't sound like a reasonable statement to me... but I don't have the facts to know. You can bet that a lot of people read that statement and without contradictory evidence were thankful we withdrew from Kyoto.
  20. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Colin #116:
    This web site ... is solely focused on promoting a particular view.
    Yes, it is, the view of rational science. What alternative did you have in mind?
  21. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    @muoncounter #14 "The Dutch are hardly standing still on climate change" The Washington Post has beautiful photographs of some places of my country, but I don't know where the phrase "spending billions of euros on floating communities" is based upon. I couldn't trace any data in Holland, but I'm quite sure it is not true. People who like to live in the neighborhood of water can built such houses on their own expense and only when it is allowed by regulations. The last sentence of your quote seems correct to me. In the 90's we had some threats of flooding in the Netherlands caused by high water levels of our rivers, like the Rhine. The government decided to deal with this and with future estimates of even higher amounts of water being transported by the rivers because of climate change. Part of the measures taken is directed at improving the riverdikes and another part is directed to give more room to the rivers when necessary. Maybe the "billions of euros" are related to this protection program, I checked the budget for this project (it is public) and it is estimated to be 2.2 billion euros.
  22. 9 Months After McLean
    12 months after McLean: credit: Hot Topic
  23. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Colin -"Each side continues to present seemingly endless amounts of scientific data" That is tone-trolling nonsense and completely false. Now you may lack the background knowledge to distinguish between science and pseudo-science (the fake-skeptics), but that lack of information does not make the two sides equivalent. I hope you see the logic here. 97% of publishing climate scientists accept that global warming is real, based on the overwhelming mountain of evidence, and only 1% disagree. That should tell you something, even if you cannot distinguish between climate science and climate quackery.
  24. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Colin, A quick check with the search function at the top of the page gave this article on Skeptical Science about costs. Perhaps if you read the article there it will answer your questions. If not, it is a better place to ask the questions you have. The short answer is that economic studies show it is much cheaper to reduce CO2 than to deal with the problems afterward. It is also much cheaper the sooner you start to reduce CO2.
  25. CO2 lags temperature
    @ 129CBRider If I understand you correctly, you are of the persuasion that believes in cycles, and that the next cycle of an ice age is imminent. Of course, that would be ignoring a very great deal of established physics, based on centuries of research, by many thousands of scientists. Not to mention that these are the same physics that underpins the technology of today. So I recommend that Newcomers, Start Here and then learn The Big Picture, plus The Big Picture Look at Global Warming. I also recommend watching this video on why CO2 is the biggest climate control knob in Earth's history. As an FYI, assertions lacking support in the science and the literature tend to get ignored. Failure to back up repeated assertions with source citations tends to get comments moderated or deleted.
  26. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Colin "As an average citizen, with a vote, I think it is only reasonable that I learn the cost before I accept the prescription." But being (un)willing to pay certain costs for particular prescriptions has nothing to do with the diagnosis. Surely our personal or social willingness to pay costs is related entirely to how seriously we take the diagnosis we've been given and the prognosis if we don't take appropriate action. Most of this site is about diagnoses and prognoses.
  27. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Colin discussing the best cure and its costs is what we all would love to do. But how can we if one side of the political arena still deny the need of any cure?
  28. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    TOP, 1. There clearly is consensus among climate scientists that AGW is real. I would venture to guess that you are correct that the ECI statement does not reflect the mainstream view among evangelicals. 2. The signers' position on biblical inerrancy is irrelevant. 3. There was no measurable AGW when the Bible was written, so one wouldn't expect statements on it. 4. The biblical passages used in the ECI statement were ones that support the ideas of caring for the poor and practicing good stewardship of Earth's resources. These principles are widely accepted as being in accord with the Bible as a whole, and with orthodox Christianity.
  29. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    I have just read the RTCC interview, the level of intolerance is unbelievable. The national anthem of the USA speaks of "land of the free and home of the brave". For me Hayhoe is clearly the brave one and it seems to me that a lot of people in the USA think that the "free" part is only applicable to others having exactly the same ideas as they have. This looks like the return of the Spanish Inquisition, another era of Enlightenment is needed. I'm not a believer myself, but it is good to hear that science and a personal religious belief don't have to exclude each other. I hope that Katharine Hayhoe doesn't give up and also will be able to enjoy her climate-work.
  30. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Interesting discussion. Regarding the use of "cognitive dissonance", I think it is being used incorrectly. I believe it more accurately means that feeling of confusion and discomfort when you have distinct bits of information in your head, you believe them to all be true, and yet they conflict with each other. It is a feeling associated with conflicting information, but is not the information itself, and it only makes itself evident when the conflict is recognised. For instance, if someone you trust tells you that a good friend has done something awful. It can be identified with statements to the effect that, "I just don't know what to believe." or, "There must be some other explanation." (Hmm, all of a sudden Merchants of Doubt comes to mind.) It provokes a response based on emotion; as Rob Painting has noted, an easy way out of the dissonance is to reject part of the information. I think Gingerbaker exemplifies the tendency to think in Us and Them terms. It is important to break the habit of doing this; otherwise, it the division only widens. Then you end up with irrational scenarios where whatever the other side says must be wrong because the other side said it. My guess is that Gingrich's views on other issues are compatible with Hayhoe's, and so she felt no compunction against helping him. In her mind, I'm guessing, religious faith, party affiliation, and belief in science are independent; that appears not to be the case for many people.
  31. Gillett et al. Estimate Human and Natural Global Warming
    MMM - we're considering doing an analysis of Michaels 2002. It's a relatively low-impact paper though - only Michaels ever seems to cite it, so it's just a question about whether it's worth the effort. It might be interesting though. Paul Magnus - there could be a small natural contribution to the warming (solar and/or volcanic). Gillett found a very small natural contribution from 1961 to 2010.
  32. Climate Solutions by dana1981
    Fair enough John, I stand corrected. But I think you've missed my point... This web site, and every other site I've seen is solely focused on promoting a particular view. Each side continues to present seemingly endless amounts of scientific data, bolstered by it's own interpretation, to convince the reader. Each side ridicules the other as being uninformed, biased, unqualified etc etc. This very web site has sunk to the adolescent level of name calling... "Baked Curry", "Christy Crocks", "Lindzen Illusions". However, my point is simply that nobody seems to want to discuss the cost of the cure. As an average citizen, with a vote, I think it is only reasonable that I learn the cost before I accept the prescription. I can't understand why that concept seems so difficult...
  33. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    In regard to her manifesto and the signatories:
    1. The same standard regarding a Biblical position to GW should be applied as is presented here: There is no consensus. It obviously isn't settled in the evangelical community that one can hold to a Biblical position and the position presented in ECI Statement is certainly not mainstream.
    2. While there are 500 signatories, a few of which are well known, many come from the liberal side of evangelical Christianity which doesn't necessarily hold to the Bible being inerrant and inspired.That there are 500 isn not indicative of any kind of shift in thinking. 500 or 5000 signatures could probabably be obtained objecting to the manifesto and Hayhoe's position.
    3. The Bible itself makes no statements about AGW one way or the other.
    4. The use of the Bible in the ECI manifesto is "cherry picking" and not acceptible in the Biblical hermeneutics or science.
      If the canon of Scripture is considered as an organic whole, rather than an accumulation of disparate individual texts written and edited in the course of history, then any interpretation that contradicts any other part of scripture is not considered to be sound.Biblical Hermeneutics
  34. CO2 lags temperature
    Which causes what it kinda irrelevant if you consider the direct relationship between average global atmospheric temperatures and atmospheric CO2 content tells us that the next glacerization will be as extreme as the current rise in CO2 content, throwing us into an Ice Age the likes of which history has never seen, possibly only leaving a band around the equator without ice.
  35. Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
    Manwichstick - Tatoosh Island (at the entrance to the estuary containing Puget Sound) has seen a drop in pH much lower than fossil fuel emissions would suggest, so clearly there is some other aspect which is not yet understood. It happens to be a region of strong natural upwelling (of highly acidified deep water), but not just the 'imported' Pacific oyster is struggling there - wild mussel populations are poised upon the brink too. This is indeed very,very serious, and it's disappointing that an agency tasked with protecting the environment has to be taken to court to even acknowledge the damage being done.
  36. Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
    Yum oysters. We excel in denial. No problem here. We just ignore inconvenient facts. And that pesky EPA will soon be gone. The Puget Sound region is the land of falling bridge engineering failures and ignored science. Seattle is digging a below sea level traffic tunnel right on the waterfront and across an active fault. We are home to the Gates Foundation that heavily invests in coal. And Boeing is happily building planes for decades into the future - even tho US airports are starting to ground planes in summer heat. And remember it was a good thing Mt St Helens erupted on a Sunday - the very day that denialists like the sleep in. Move along. We call Seattle the Emerald City. Nothing to see here. No problems. Nothing to worry about. Pay no attention to that EPA behind the curtain.
  37. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Maybe some of you are aware of this effort http://creationcare.org/blog.php?blog=19 to "engage" with global warming, motivated by Christian concern for the earth & for the "least of these my brethren."
  38. Arctic methane outgassing on the E Siberian Shelf part 1 - the background
    Spikes in methane at the end of the last an previous ice periods withing the present 2.5m year ice age were not observed but spikes in Carbon dioxide were. Since the end of these ice periods was in sinc with Milankovitch obliquity, it is unlikely that the rise in CO2 was the cause of the start of the interglacials but rather the result. Since methane, on a geological time scale, is instantly converted to CO2, we would be unlikely to pick up a methane spike (in ice cores) but rater to observe it as a Carbon dioxide spike. The likely source of this methane would be the accumulation of methane clathrate under the continental ice sheets with the methane, over the 100,000 year life of the ice sheet coming from underground shale, coal and oil plus the anaerobic break down of organic material This would be "0ld" carbon and so carbon dating from the end of the most recent ice period might show some carbon dating anomalies. http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2011/08/end-of-ice-ages.html
  39. Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
    I believe a .1 change in pH is equivalent to a 30% increase in concentration.
  40. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Gingerbaker... Actually, I think it makes total sense that she would write a chapter on climate change for Gingrich's book. Gingrich is also very religious and I think it's with the religious that she wants to convey the science of climate change. It's just sad that it's turned into yet another scene of hate-mongering from extremists.
  41. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Katherine has been fighting the good climate fight for a long time. She voluntarily spoke at the Ontario Association of Physics Teachers conference and did not ask for any money in return. Along with her parents, she has been in the science education business for her whole life as far as I can tell. She has been working "from the inside". Years ago she addressed the REP (Republicans for Environmental Protection) - I didn't such a thing existed - . Her lecture may still be available online somewhere. I'm not sure how religious she was before marrying her minister husband, but none-the-less she helps those in Texas to reflect on what the moral course of action ought to be. I am saddened to hear about her getting the hate mail. I think she is awesome and approaching this very nobly. I also think she maybe credited for the expression "climate weirding" in her efforts to help increase the climate literacy of those she tries to inform. I predict that she will keep doing what she has been doing and not slow down because of the personal attacks.
  42. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Dr. Hayhoe might have been impressed by Newt's own words on the environment in "A Contract with the Earth," Gingrich and Maple, 2007: I am convinced, however, that the environment is an issue that transcends politics. Americans deserve candor on this subject: why the environment is so important to all of us, and why the time has come to act on what we know. But he was sitting squarely on the fence at that time: We recognize that global climate change is supported by a wealth of scientific data ... However we still cannot be certain about the variance introduced by distinctly human activities. Should human behavior be a cause, to any extent, it wouldn't be surprising, given the role that human beings have played in other environmental events ... He was, once upon a time, almost a radical green: The greatest dangers to biodiversity on the planet today are poor people cutting down tropical forests for money and killing endangered species for meat. Wealthy people can afford to protect the forests and protect endangered species. Only to find that this particular Newt could switch from green to red in a heartbeat: The candidate immediately stated that global warming “hasn’t been totally proven” and even if it were, he would still oppose a cap-and-trade solution to combat carbon emissions which, as Gingrich argued, would “turn over the entire economy to the EPA.” He offered the following analogy to explain his position. “The Dutch face the problem of oceans. They decided to build dikes instead of lowering the sea.” Poor choice of examples, as the Dutch are hardly standing still on climate change: As sea levels swell and storms intensify, the Dutch are spending billions of euros on "floating communities" that can rise with surging flood waters, on cavernous garages that double as urban floodplains and on re-engineering parts of a coastline as long as North Carolina's. The government is engaging in "selective relocation" of farmers from flood-prone areas and expanding rivers and canals to contain anticipated swells. Perhaps not being included in Newt's book will, in the long run, work out as a good thing for Dr. Hayhoe.
  43. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    I sincerely hope Dr. Hayhoe is following this. This is obviously a difficult time for you and your family, but know that regardless of what mean-spirited, hateful and ideological people might believe, you have truth, honour, integrity and science on your side. You also have the support of many, many people who respect and admire you and your work. Thank you for everything that you do and for standing up to bullies like Marc Morano and Rush Limbaugh. Stay strong.
  44. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Rob Honeycutt: "Gingrich previously had made very clear statements about AGW being a concern and there's even a commercial with Gingrich and Boxer talking about their common position on it. It's only since he became a presidential candidate that he shifted his position. " I understand that, Rob, but it doesn't help me to understand why she would donate her efforts to support Newt Gingrich, his political goals, or those of the Republican party. None of which have any history of the slightest inclination to help "...Our global neighbours, the poor and disadvantaged, the people who don't have the resources to adapt". Do you think Hanson or Mann would write a book chapter - for free - for any perennial Republican candidate? I wonder whether her motivations to do this were not exclusively to promote climate change awareness, but rather also included political motivations typical of evangelical Christians, who vote very strongly Republican. If so, then I would argue that her religious and political affiliations might well be in severe cognitive dissonance with her claimed humanitarian and scientific goals. Not that there is anything wrong with promoting the dissemination of the scientific facts surrounding climate change, but doing it in the service of the Republican party, which has demonstrated its anti-science biases to anyone's satisfaction, simply doesn't jive with Hayhoe's professed missions.
  45. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    She has my full support, although I am not an especially religious person. I believe in fair play. What Morano did was unforgivable. That is not the first time, though. Who on earth would actually want to be remembered in toasts, when they have departed, as a hate-monger? I do not recognise the motivations for this that he has. The world has always - when it has worked OK - followed science: this is how we started to cure diseases such as Smallpox. Morano's mode-of-existence, instead, seems to be to attempt to rubbish any facts that do not match up to his rather strange worldview. Hence Climate Depot. He should be ashamed of himself. I could not live with myself if I were responsible for that. And you are responsible for that, Marc Morano. You should, indeed, be ashamed of yourself, were it that you knew shame! So come - answer me - and justify your methods. Come and justify why you think encouraging hate-mail to hard-working people is somehow cool. Come and tell us why you splatter your front page with the email addresses of folk with the obvious intention of getting their inboxes cluttered with messages of hate. Come tell us why you think the whipping-up of hatred against gentle Christian folk is a bit of a laugh. And then we may have peace (as Theoden suggested to Saruman). Marc Morano, respond honestly. It's your call... John
  46. Puget Sound, Under Threat From Ocean Acidification, Put on "Waters of Concern" List
    What sort of pH changes are being talked about here?
  47. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    It's really a damn shame that certain people have politicized climate science so much that a good and smart person as Hayhoe could receive so much hate mail for doing nothing more than providing a requested chapter on climate science. Something is very wrong with this picture. Kerry Emanuel recently also received a lot of hate mail, some of it targeting his wife, for saying that the political denial reactions to climate science sometimes make him feel ashamed to be American. Sometimes I feel the same way.
  48. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Gingerbaker... Gingrich previously had made very clear statements about AGW being a concern and there's even a commercial with Gingrich and Boxer talking about their common position on it. It's only since he became a presidential candidate that he shifted his position.
  49. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    I have to say, I think that people like Katherine Hayhoe and Barry Bickmore are very likely the most important individuals in the entire climate debate. They are so important for starting to address the cognitive dissonance we see with conservatives and the religious. I can rattle off scientific research all day long and there are people who will never ever believe me because I am a liberal atheist. But Katherine and Barry are in a very unique position that helps advance the broad public acceptance of climate science. If you read these comments, Katherine, thank you for your work!
  50. Katharine Hayhoe's labour of love inspires a torrent of hate
    Why did an informed woman, who professes to have empathy for "Our global neighbours, the poor and disadvantaged, the people who don't have the resources to adapt" donate her efforts and expertise to provide arch Republican Newt Gingrich, of all people, with a campaign tool?

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