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  1. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Cruzn @ 39 - is that by that German school teacher?.
  2. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Yet again I have to post a reply that clarifies what I said! I find this very tiresome. I think that WUWT is a very good website, not scientific like this one, or Tamino's, or Climate Audit. As you see if you look there now (as I just have) WUWT run non-climate pieces very often like the present Google-Earth meteor crater, and solar storms. If you read back you'll see that I was berated for going there! I find this behaviour very odd, to say the very least. I certainly wasn't rude (I never am) and there's a huge case of kettle/pot there! On the subject of Open mInd, no the 'typo' wasn't fixed while I was there, but I never went back to find out. I couldn't even hope to find it now. Archie, you've achieved what you wanted. I'm leaving this forum as I cannot devote my precious time to construct meaningless posts like this that serve no purpose in AGW debate. As an ad hominem is just not me, I'm going to leave it there for you to think over. Thanks to everyone for being patient and clarifying points. If we don't get the peak in temp that the UK Met Office is predicting in 2014, or if we get falling OHC, then I'll pop back to get your opinions based on that. However, if temps rise, and OHC goes up, then you won't need me back here. I hope, not for personal reasons, that I'm right and you're wrong. Thanks to 'the moderator' for allowing me my posts. Cheers.
  3. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Anyone seen this?
  4. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    MattJ #1 "I do not agree with Dyson, and am I mystified and disappointed that he objects." As per your comment, his interview on YouTube may help. To see, just google his name, etc. I dont think he is saying global warming is not real as much that stratospheric cooling might be a bigger problem. Similarly, while he plays down the imperative to reduce fossil fuels (towards the end of the video), in his book, Disturbing the Universe, he pretty much writes that humanity missed its opportunity in the sixties to go nuclear due to unwarranted alarmism, such that he was more optimistic about the ability to build safer reactors.
  5. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Well Dunkerson, you think it is all us? I mean think about it. How can they claim that a change in temperature is completely or even mostly the responsibility of man when we are not even at the point when we truly know what makes our temperatures change and how much they change anyway. We have never been around at this point in a glacial period, so who are we to know what happens when it gets to this point?
  6. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    #8 RSVP What I get out of this article. The IPCC is an impartial bureaucracy with a name that implies climate is changing. Sounds like what you get out of it is what you bring to it.
  7. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    Re: RSVP (8) Perhaps you should read more than just the title then. Or if you'd like a different place to start to learn about our changing of our climate, ask. "Fill your mind with the coppers of your pockets and your mind will fill your pockets with gold." The Yooper
  8. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Tariscio - I would love to read your comments, but find your translations difficult to follow. I would suggest including both your native language (Spanish?) in appropriate detail, and using Google translate to produce an additional English version. Many of us can read or at least puzzle out other languages.
  9. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    What I get out of this article. The IPCC is an impartial bureaucracy with a name that implies climate is changing.
  10. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    gallopingcamel #5 Presumably this is because that quote can be used in an ironic / self deprecating sense, or it can be used in an attempt to reject the entire field of statistics. This latter usage is destructive solipsistic nonsense. As someone who is reasonably experienced at using statistics, I can assure you that used appropriately statistics can be highly informative. Understanding how to do so is a fairly arduous task, and I have particularly enjoyed teaching undergraduate science some of the core skills for the appropriate use of statistics.
  11. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    Re: gallopingcamel (5)
    "On a couple of occasions when the subject has been Tamino and his ilk you have deleted my use of the quote attributed by Mark Twain to Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." "
    GC, your usage of "ilk" in conjunction with your quote should be in violation of the comment policy, as it is tantamount to an accusation of deception and/or dishonesty. The fact that you openly admit to doing this previously and having it deleted each time is troubling enough. It is hard enough to maintain one's own decorum & be a positive factor on this blog without comments like yours inviting a likewise response. I've already "really not helped" once tonight. And you're not helping me now. The Yooper
  12. How you can support Skeptical Science
    Re: John Cook
    "So I'm just laying the offer on the table for anyone interested in proofreading any skeptic arguments to contact me."
     I have experience in proofreading and quality control. If you still have a need of this service, let me know. The Yooper
  13. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    John, On a couple of occasions when the subject has been Tamino and his ilk you have deleted my use of the quote attributed by Mark Twain to Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." Now you are paraphrasing the quote to head this post but I do not object. You hit the right target!
  14. Urban Heat Islands: serious problem or holiday destination for skeptics?
    Ned #58 Thanks for this. Any chance you can post the csv file of the raw data that you used up to a site like this one so that I can take the regression diagnostics a bit further. It looks like with a correlation coefficient of 0.23 uncorrected for autocorrelation while statistically significant, is of very little practical significance. BP's mistake has been to assume that his estimate of the slope is not an estimate but is the true value of the slope, and so therefore has not accounted for uncertainty in his estimate. This appears to be an excellent example of confirmation bias in action.
  15. Climate scientists respond to Monckton's misinformation
    Thank you Rob re: @38. - that makes sense. Also - Thanks John C for the website
  16. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Re: Tarcisio José D'Avila (32,34) and Tom Dayton (33) If I understand Tarcisio José D'Avila correctly, he is postulating the existence of a broken "climate thermostat". Broken, because it is not correcting for the actions of man's fossil fuel CO2 emissions. An iteration of the Gaia hypothesis, I believe. He believes the science of anthropogenic warming is right, but that it only is warming because the thermostat itself is broken. Or something like that. If I've misunderstood, I apologize. The Yooper
  17. There is no consensus
    Well that awful Inhofe 400 is now over 420 as in the time it took for you to complain about the one that didn't sign 20 more "scientists" did
    I'm 2 years late to the party, but for the record... Nobody signed Inhofe's list. It was created by garnering selected quotes and adding the person saying/writing them. A good number of the people on it actually endorse the IPCC general conclusions, and some have even written to ask to be taken off. Inhofe's 400+ is not a petition or a declaration, just a concoction of names and highly elided quotes.
  18. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    You use IPCC without defining it. That is rude. It forces readers unfamiliar with the subject to go elsewhere for a definition. Always define an acronym when first introduced.
  19. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    "it is prudent to observe that the IPCC does no science or research at all" Nope this is incorrect. Collating the work of others, and subjecting it to analysis is an important part of the research process. Perhaps Graham means that "it is prudent to observe that the IPCC does no primary scientific research"?
  20. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    @miekol: I don't get it. Aren't panel and committee synonyms?
  21. The Phony War: Lies, Damn Lies and the IPCC
    " it is prudent to observe that the IPCC does no science or research at all" Precisely, its a politcal committee, enough said. Except it should be called the ICCC. They couldn't even present their name right. Intergovernment Committeee for Climate Change
  22. Does Climate Change Really Matter?
    doug_bostrom at 10:04 AM, re "or something like that" Beautiful. That drives direct to the quintessence of the dilemma as it stands.
  23. Does Climate Change Really Matter?
    Shorter johnd: More convection will manifest itself invisibly. Or something like that.
  24. Does Climate Change Really Matter?
    ianw01 at 23:42 PM, all weather events, extreme or otherwise, are driven by the same combination of a heat differentials and moisture, and they all unfold the same way. As the water vapour picked up rises, it gradually releases heat, condensing out forming different cloud types in sequence until finally the air becomes dry above where cirrus clouds are the last to form. The albedo effect dominates the low altitude clouds, so they then provide a nett cooling effect to the Earth's climate. However uncertainty remains about the high level cirrus clouds, which alone cover about 35% of the earths surface, but as this passage from a CLOUDSAT overview would indicate, linking extreme weather events with climate change is treading on uncertain ground as you noted. (http://cloudsat.atmos.colostate.edu/overview) "Because clouds have such a large impact on Earth’s radiation budget, even small changes in cloud abundance or distribution could alter the climate more than the anticipated changes in greenhouse gases, anthropogenic aerosols, or other factors associated with global change. Changes in climate that are caused by clouds may in turn give rise to changes in clouds due to climate: a cloud-climate feedback. These feedbacks may be positive (reinforcing the changes) or negative (tending to reduce the net change), depending on the processes involved. These considerations lead scientists to believe that the main uncertainties in climate model simulations are due to the difficulties in adequately representing clouds and their radiative properties."
  25. Tarcisio José D at 09:13 AM on 25 September 2010
    The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Tom #33 I go wrait with may poor english escuseme... If the thermostat of the climate is brook or is out of range, the global warm has great potential of be antropogenic. And in this case the science is rigth. Only the target of resershing is bad. It's look to the fingeprint only.
  26. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Tarcisio, please rephrase your comment. I don't understand your point.
  27. Tarcisio José D at 07:50 AM on 25 September 2010
    The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Retification... Do you ever wonder, "Is the thermostat of nature" is not stuck? If it is stalled antropogenic actions has great potential to be the cause of all this damage. I do not believe that acts falcification of data.
  28. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    (I don't claim to be a specialist in this area but I do have a science degree ) When talking with friends and colleagues who don't have a science background I tend to use the following way of describing what a few degrees centigrade rise really means ... "The numbers one ,two , three and four don't sound much. Two centimeters seems a small number . However to understand a two degrees (c) rise in temperature think what you would say if I suggested you lift (by yourself) Mount Everest by two centimeters - it's only a small number so it should be easy . Now think about how much disruption must have occured to make a one degree centigrate rise to the temperature of the Earth .... and then project what the consequences could be of a two or three degree rise - a small number can mask gigantic changes.... This is the impact of fossil fuels on the green house effect "
  29. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Dana, I think this is a great post. I'm forwarding it to my relatively climate naive sister so she has a good entry point to the amazing resources on this web site. One thing regarding falsification. (This particular line of argument from deniers drives me completely batty!) I would argue that it's more correct to say that ober 50 years AGW has been repeatedly subject to intense attempts at falsification by skeptical scientist and it has passed those tests repeatedly, so that now it would take a truly astonishing series of events/findings to shake the hard won belief in it that most now scientists have. The way it's put now is strictly true, but it sounds a little condescending for those not very aware of those physical principles you speak of (I presume this level of explanation is targeted at such people). It reads a bit like "us smart people thought this up using theories that you can't possibly understand, so don't question it." That plays perfectly into the whole anti-elitism meme that lurks beneathe this debate. It also somewhat undersells the great body of observational data that does not rely on those physical principles. Perhaps some way for people to understand how they depend on those physical principles in their every day lives would help bring it home too.
  30. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    @Baz: what was the error? A typo? Did Tamino correct it? You're attacking the reputation of a well-respected scientist, and an expert in his field; the least you could do is provide evidence. Why don't you show others the same courtesy you expect for yourself? Earlier you were quite rude and ill-mannered by basically saying we were close-minded for criticizing WUWT's status as a scientifically legitimate web site. I have yet to hear you apologize for such a broad accusation... So, please, substantiate your allegations. What was the error, and did Tamino fix it? Thanks.
  31. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Baz... Actually, archie is right. Both those guys will quickly delete comments with very basic level errors from either side of the fence. I've had comments deleted as well. I totally understand why they do. When people post basic erroneous material it leads to a long engagement that takes everyone off topic. Here at SkS you usually only get a warning and are redirected to the proper discussion thread.
  32. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Re: Baz (342)
    "Tamino did the same to me a year ago when I pointed out that he had made an error."
     Couple of points to make here:
    1. Tamino is a professional time-series data analyst; he checks his work microscopically for errors before posting. The errors I've seen have been typo's only, and are acknowledged cordially when pointed out. About his data analysis skills...the man has probably forgotten more about statistical analysis than any 3 posters on Skeptical Science know. 2. How the message is constructed is often more important than the message itself. It's not what you say, but how you say it that is paramount. Diplomacy & tact may get you room for debate...
    Hope that helps. Baz (345)
    "Daniel, what's your opinion on the theory of a falling PDO that may cause considerable Arctic recovery, and then later (with a falling AMO) the possibility of it being brought back to 'normal'? "
    Not an area of expertise for me, but since you asked for an opinion: no evidence exists for either the PDO and/or AMO having any meaningful effect that possibly explains the warming seen to date (the warming introduced by the hand of man has now reached the point of perturbation of the system that natural cycles have been over-ridden). As such, they are immaterial. The summer of 2007 initiated such a catastrophic loss of multiyear ice (through ice advection) that a long term "recovery" of the ice became a fait accompli. That's when the "death spiral" began. The ice now remaining is on life support; the only question remaining is how little time left it has. The Yooper
  33. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Archie. Usual stuff then! Thanks for your always-delightful comment. I did spot an error, and thought I was being kind by pointing it out. It wasn't on a scientific point, but a numerical one.
  34. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Daniel, what's your opinion on the theory of a falling PDO that may cause considerable Arctic recovery, and then later (with a falling AMO) the possibility of it being brought back to 'normal'?
    Moderator Response: I betcha there is a more appropriate thread (maybe more than one!) for that question. Follow Ned's example.
  35. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Re: Baz (342) On this post by Neven, he lists the July Century Melts (individual days of 100,000+ km2 ice area lost):
    Century breaks in July: * 2005: 10 * 2006: 3 * 2007: 11 * 2008: 4 * 2009: 11 * 2010: 2
    Note the alternating pattern of melts. If we get a decent Arctic Dipole formation in 2011, most of the remaining multi-year ice will be advected out the Fram. Basically, if we don't see some open water at the pole in 2011, we will in 2012. Maslowski's prediction, 2016 +-3 years, was based on older data (he said it was conservative). Note the quadratic line Tamino fit to the existing pattern of melt (and he was nearly dead-on for this year's melt). At some point, the summer insolation/Arctic Ocean albedo will will pass a critical threshold/tipping point and the majority of it will be lost in a summer... This doesn't mean NO summer ice; just that so much volume has been lost that the majority of what's left will be seasonal (winter ice) from that point forward. Some ice should linger just north of the Canadian Archipelago and Greenland for a few more years. By 2013 we'll have a better idea of when even winter ice will cease to exist... The Yooper
  36. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    @Baz: I've had comments deleted at WUWT as well, what's your point? The science presented on Climateprogress and Tamino's is sound, contrary to the usual driverl at WUWT... (Exception made of the rare times where Anthony invites an actual scientist, who is then universally panned in the comments...) As for Tamino's, it's likely you didn't in fact spot an error (considering your unrepentant admissions of confirmation bias, non-rationality and basic misunderstanding of statistics. If Tamino removed your post, then he probably had a good reason to do so. Instead of whining, you should take the opportunity to learn where you got the science wrong and correct your position accordingly.
  37. The contradictory nature of global warming skepticism
    Thanks Daniel. I'm afraid Joe Romm is running exactly as they say he does (at WUWT). First comment allowed, second never even made a show - just wiped straight off. Tried a third - same result. Censoring does nothing for debating the issues! Tamino did the same to me a year ago when I pointed out that he had made an error. Thanks anyway.
  38. Video update on Arctic sea ice in 2010
    Extent appears to have declined near to the bottom of the early melt season ARCUS invited predictions.
  39. Philippe Chantreau at 03:21 AM on 25 September 2010
    Video update on Arctic sea ice in 2010
    Cryosphere today is showing even more evidence of how warming has stopped and how sea ice is doing a spectacular recovery: Arctic sea ice area appears to have bottomed very close to 3 million sq. km, on par with 2008, pretty close to the all time low of 2007 and significantly lower than last year. Lowest sea ice anomaly so far this year was reached in June, when a strong Arctic dipole led to the fastest melt ever recorded at that period, a similar rate to that of August in the all time low 2007. That month in 2007 also had a strong dipole situation. This year's lowest anomaly may not have been reached yet, depending how fast the ice is going to form. Meanwhile, something funny is happening to Antarctic sea ice. After a strong positive anomaly early in the season, it is now showing over 700k sq. km below baseline, a rather unusual occurrence at the time when it should peak. If the data are correct, that brings the global sea ice around 2.5 million sq. km below the 1979-2008 average, close to 2007, on par with 2008, much lower than 2009. Some recovery.
  40. A detailed look at Hansen's 1988 projections
    angusmac, I'll try one more time to explain to you. The temperature change is based primarily on 2 factors, radiative forcing (which depends heavily on emissions scenarios) and climate sensitivity (which is a product of the climate model). Regarding the first factor, Scenario B has been quite close to reality. There is no point in comparing to Scenario C, which has not. It doesn't matter if the temps follow closer to C, because the real-world emissions do not. Since the real-world emissions and forcing have been close to B, we can then examine the second factor - climate sensitivity. As I showed in the article, we can then determine that the real-world sensitivity has been around 3.4°C for 2xCO2. Notice my use of the term "real-world". You're obsesing with Scenario C, which is a hypothetical world which does not match the real world. Both of the factors mentioned above are incorrect in Scenario C. One is too high and one is too low. The problem is that in Scenario C, the forcing flattens out, whereas that will not happen in reality. There is simply no chance that Scenario C will continue close to reality because it does not reflect real-world emissions or radiative forcings.
  41. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    cruzn246 #7 - I suggest you actually click the links and learn something. There's a pretty darn big difference between scientific evidence and "pure speculation." bverheggen #9 - valid point, I may add a bit on aerosols. I wrote a rebuttal on the subject recently which I didn't link in this article. Dan Olner #11 - there's a difference between what it would take for AGW to be wrong (our understanding of physics would have to be wrong) and what it would take to disprove AGW. To disprove the theory, just demonstrate that the planet is not warming or climate is not changing as it predicts. I recommend you click the 'fingerprints' link in the article to see what I mean. Ken Lambert #24 - perhaps you're unfamiliar with Skeptical Science. The purpose of the site is to debunk false skeptic arguments with scientific evidence. paulm #25 - I'll consider rewording the conclusion a bit.
  42. Urban Heat Islands: serious problem or holiday destination for skeptics?
    As a postscript, I'm happy to discuss this all further, but I'll be leaving town shortly for the weekend and may not be revisiting the site much if at all before Monday.
  43. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    Following from PaulM's comment, this is a useful article: The Psychology of Global Warming (AMS, full text pdf) Leaving aside that little group tagged by Leiserowitz as the "dismissive," if we take heed of what we've learned of how people think, our communications actually can be made more effective, more robust in the face of industrial PR.
  44. A detailed look at Hansen's 1988 projections
    RE: comments from myself, kdkd, and BP above: It's off-topic for this thread, but I've just posted a lengthy "reanalysis and commentary" over in the appropriate thread (Urban Heat Islands: serious problem or holiday destination for skeptics?).
  45. Urban Heat Islands: serious problem or holiday destination for skeptics?
    Since BP's analysis on the first page of this thread has become the subject of discussion elsewhere, I thought I'd revisit it briefly. Recall that BP picked 270 GHCN stations, calculated their temperature trend over the decade 1990-2000, and then calculated their change in population density over the same period from GPWv3. He then created a model relating temperature trend to the number of doublings of population density. His claim was that the Y-intercept of this model showed that a hypothetical station located at a site with no change in population density would have a trend of +1.5C/century over that decade. For context, note that a bunch of different reconstructions using land stations only show an actual trend of +2.25C/century over the same time period. Thus, BP's results, if you grant all the various assumptions underlying his analysis and assume that his hand-picked stations were representative of all land stations, would suggest that UHI explained about 1/3 of the observed temperature increase over land and about 10-12% of the global increase. Commenter kdkd and others have questioned the statistical significance of that model. Since BP hasn't been able to explain that, I've tried to sort-of replicate it. Of course, without knowing what stations he used it's not possible to replicate his analysis exactly, and for a number of reasons (to be explained below) I don't think it's worth going through all the work of fully replicating it even if we did know what stations he used. Instead, I took the short-cut of just digitizing the points on the graph from his comment, and re-doing the regression analysis. Unfortunately, the graphic is noisy and it's not possible to identify all 270 points. I got 204 of them, but for the rest I'm just not confident in my ability to correctly identify them in the noise. Using those 204 points gives a model with an r2 of 0.075, meaning it explains very little of the variance within the data. (This is not surprising given the spread among the points in the graph). The estimate for the intercept is 1.4C/century, just a hair below BP's calculation of 1.5. The 95% confidence interval around this estimate is approximately 0C/century to 3.0C/century. In other words, UHI could explain all the observed warming over land, or at the opposite extreme it could be artificially cooling the data, actually reducing the land surface trend from its "true" value of 3.0C/century to the observed 2.25C/century. Of course, neither of those extremes seems likely. Given that the land is presumably warming faster than the ocean (heat capacity), UHI can't realistically explain most or all of the observed warming over land. Likewise, I don't think anyone seriously suggests that overall, globally, UHI would be negative. So my admittedly crude attempt to replicate BP's analysis suggests that his model is not very informative, since it fails to exclude what are almost certainly unrealistic values at both the high and low extremes. That's OK, it's still interesting (though probably not publishable....) As I've mentioned earlier in this thread and elsewhere, there are serious concerns/problems with BP's analysis that probably make it non-worthwhile to pursue it much further. First, the quality of the locational information in the GHCN metadata is known to be poor, and the spatial resolution of the GPW population density data is clearly insufficient to provide estimates of local population density at individual stations. Second, one decade is a very short time to be looking at trends in both temperature and population density. Third, we don't have any reason to believe that BP's hand-picked 270 stations are representative of the overall land surface, and in fact there are good indications that they are not (according to BP's original comment their mean trend differs substantially from the observed land surface trend based on various reconstructions). This is not to suggest that BP deliberately picked unrepresentative stations -- it's just difficult to get a representative sample without using somewhat sophisticated methods. It's worth noting that there's no a priori reason to expect that the real world would actually conform to this model, particularly when extrapolated to low population densities. On the contrary, it seems physically improbable. It's also worth noting that we have reliable and well-validated satellite measurements of sea surface temperature trends which show clear warming during this period. Given that there are good physical reasons to expect warming over the ocean to lag warming over land, the global SST trend would seem to limit how much land warming could be explained by UHI (if your claims for UHI would bring the land trend below the ocean trend, you've probably made a mistake somewhere). If you dealt with the first three objections, and found that the resulting model actually explained a large proportion of the variance in the observed data, it would definitely be worth pursuing this. What we have right now, though, is an analysis that is crippled by those three objections and only yields an r2 of around 0.075, and fails to rule out more or less impossible answers at both extremes. Bottom line, BP's analysis doesn't really do anything to support the claim that UHI explains as much as 10% to 12% of the observed global temperature increase. The true value is probably in the low single digits. Apologies for the length of this comment.
  46. A detailed look at Hansen's 1988 projections
    angusmac @112 Scenarios A, B and C all represent the same "black box" - just with a different input value; the CO2 emissions for future years (his future, our past). Scenarios A B and C could be said (perhaps somewhat crudely) to correspond to predictions of different CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere in the future. Since we are now in Hansens future, we can look at the current actual CO2 concentration in the atmosphere and determine that emissions have most closely followed Hansens scenario B. Thus scenario C (and A) is irrelevant because it was a prediction for a course of action the world did not take
  47. Climate scientists respond to Monckton's misinformation
    Roger... I believe solitary corals developed in the Cambrian but reef forming corals came about in the early Ordovician.
  48. Does Climate Change Really Matter?
    @ianw01: that's why it's always safer to say that an increase in extreme weather events is "consistent" with AGW theory.
  49. A detailed look at Hansen's 1988 projections
    @angusmac: Scenario C is not relevant because it is based on CO2 emmissions that do not accurately represent actual, real-world emmissions. Scenario B, however, uses figures that are close to real-world emmissions, and thus offer the same basic parameters (except for climate sensitivity). The fact that Scenario C is closer is irrelevant, because it uses does not use real-world emmission values. Do you understand your mistake?
  50. The Big Picture (2010 version)
    A good paper on why a large portions of the general public, journalists, and policy makers dont get the "...scale of the problem and the urgency of required action" is : What psychology can teach us about our response to climate change http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/23/climate-change-psychology-response-scepticism "Simply presenting the facts and figures about global warming has failed to convince large portions of the general public, journalists, and policy makers about the scale of the problem and the urgency of required action. From a psychologist's perspective this disconnect is not surprising."

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