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Food Security: the first big hit from Climate Change will be to our pockets

Posted on 26 December 2012 by John Mason

"While the global community has committed itself to holding warming below 2°C to prevent “dangerous” climate change, the sum total of current policies—in place and pledged—will very likely lead to  warming far in excess of this level. Indeed, present emission trends put the world plausibly on a path toward 4°C warming within this century."

Turn down the Heat - why a 4oC warmer world must be avoided

World Bank, 2012

Met Office - UK rainfall, June 2012I've been growing a lot of my own food this past few years and amongst the varied challenges I've had to work around, the dismal summer of 2012 here in Wales has been the greatest of all. A cold and often overcast spring was followed by an exceptionally wet summer - the Met Office graphic for June (R) spells that out in no uncertain terms - and the few brief flickers of warmth that were felt early in the autumn came too late: the wind and rain soon set in again.

How did that affect the crops? Well, firstly, despite all sorts of control measures, including dead-of-night visits armed with a torch and bucket, the slugs had a field-day, chomping their way through anything they fancied. Slugs are always a nuisance to veg-growers, but the conditions this summer were just about perfectly in their favour. But there was more to it than that: the cold spring meant that the soil was slow to warm; bees and hoverflies, both vitally important to any grower, were both late to appear and in short supply and the severely reduced sunshine further compounded things. In short, it was a bit of a disaster!

Across the pond, conditions were the exact opposite with heat and prolonged drought affecting the American Midwest and severely reducing crop yields across vast swathes of normally productive land. It was as if the weather was stuck: wherever you were, if you had one type of weather, you were likely to be left with it for a long time. For growers, from my little one-man operation up to the big landowners, it's a bit like the Goldilocks story: you ideally need conditions to be 'just right', yet in both the cases I cite they weren't just off a bit - they were way off to one extreme or the other.

Skeptical Science has covered the recent research into the slowing and stalling of the Rossby Waves - the large upper ridges and troughs that trundle around the Northern Hemisphere from west to east and dictate the type of weather that goes on below. Evidence is accumulating that manmade global warming, at its greatest up in the Arctic (as demonstrated in no uncertain terms by the dramatic record sea-ice melt up there this year), has, by reducing the thermal gradient between the Arctic and the Tropics, affected the way in which these waves behave, and thereby caused weather-patterns to stall. Extreme weather does not have to just be about mile-wide EF-5 tornadoes: it can include weeks and weeks with no rain, or pretty much constant cloud and rain. And there is one early casualty of such conditions: agriculture.

On exactly that topic, Oxfam released a report on September 5th 2012, entitled Extreme Weather, Extreme Prices, available here; now we have Turn Down the Heat - why a 4oC warmer world must be avoided, a report prepared by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and Climate Analytics for the World Bank. Chapter 6 of the report looks at how future warming scenarios might further affect food security and it makes worrying reading. The report looks at the effects upon agriculture from three key perspectives: what they refer to as 1) the temperature-induced effect, 2) the precipitation-induced effect, and 3) the CO2-fertilization effect. There are other factors too: loss of biodiversity for instance can include loss of pollinating insects, which play an essential role in the reproduction of flowering plants. Given that very many types of fruit and veg fall into the 'flowering plants' category of plantlife, it is obvious that biodiversity is vitally important and we damage it at our peril. But let's look at the findings regarding the three factors above.

World Bank report: three key factors

above: three key variables likely to affect crop yields in a warming world - but how?


Since the release of the IPCC's AR4 in 2007, there have been significant developments in understanding the effects of temperature rises with respect to crop production. It's a mixed picture. Rising temperature may increase yields at higher latitudes where low temperatures are a limiting factor on growth. Conversely, at lower latitudes, increases in temperature alone are expected to reduce yields from grain crops because these mature earlier at higher temperatures, reducing the critical growth period and leading to lower yields, an effect that is well understood. Field experiments have, however, shown that crop sensitivity to temperatures has certain thresholds above which it takes off in a non-linear fashion (in other words these are tipping points beyond which crop-failure can be severe). Because, the report states, most current crop models do not account for this effect, with the very real risk of a 4oC world ahead of us, we need to overhaul the models to take these recent findings into account.


Recent projections and evaluations against historical records point to a substantially increased risk of severe drought affecting large parts of the world: currently affecting 15.4 % of global cropland, with 4oC of warming (relative to 1961-1990 temperatures) this could rise to a colossal 44 % by 2100. The regions expected to see increasing drought severity and extent over the coming decades are in southern Africa, the United States, southern Europe, Brazil, and Southeast Asia. Wetter conditions are projected in particular for the northern high latitudes: countries likely to be affected are those in northern North America, northern Europe (parts of which, i.e. the UK, have been in the news of late due to the severe floods they have had to endure) and Siberia, plus some monsoon regions.

CO2 Fertilisation

The effects of increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations on crop yields are, the report states, one of the most critical assumptions with respect to biophysical crop modeling. It is critical because if the effects of CO2 fertilization can occur to the extent assumed in laboratory studies, then global crop production could - possibly - be increased; if not, then a decrease is possible. Thus, it's not a straightforward picture (although those who oppose mainstream science like to repeat 'CO2 is plant-food' as though they were chanting at a football match). A key constraint of the carbon fertilization effect on the ground (and not in the controlled conditions of a greenhouse or laboratory) is that it would be operating in situations where other variables, essential to plant growth, may not play ball. It's a long list when one includes all the various minerals and trace-elements but key factors are major nutrients such as phosphorus, potassium, nitrogen and so on. CO2 is plant-food but so are these elements and they are essential, as any serious vegetable-grower will tell you.

The table below (redrawn to fit our format) shows the results of a study on maize in China, and it illustrates an example of the way in which these three factors interplay - it's not a simple picture. Note that projected  temperature figures in brackets are above the pre-industrial average and those not in brackets are above the 1961-1990 average.

Variability in crop yields under different scenarios

Even with carbon dioxide fertilisation, yields tend to be reduced, with the possibility of severe reduction. Other factors that may have some success in mitigation of the worst effects are the production of new cultivars that have better resistance to heat or water stress, or resilience to plant pathogens that favour certain conditions: I may well be trying the new blight-resistant potato cultivars that are emerging if I can get hold of any, as our damp Welsh summers in recent years have seen major outbreaks of this devastating fungus.


And what of the warming northern latitudes? Some argue that if we lose the USA Midwest then we simply shift production northwards. It ain't that simple, folks. Yes, in time one would be able to grow crops in areas that are currently thawing permafrost. But there's one thing you need to grow fruit and veg productively: healthy soils. And that's the problem: healthy soils take a considerable time to develop. The problem is not the end result in a few centuries' time (assuming things reach an equilibrium state by then): the problem is the period of transition from now to then, in which events may move at a pace beyond our ability to keep up, to adapt.


The first noticeable effect of reduced crop yields is already manifesting itself in rising food prices:

According to the Food and Agriculture Organisation in Rome, global wheat production is expected to fall 5.2% in 2012 and yields from many other crops grown to feed animals could be 10% down on last year.

"Populations are growing but production is not keeping up with consumption. Prices for wheat have already risen 25% in 2012, maize 13% and dairy prices rose 7% just last month. Food reserves, held to provide a buffer against rising prices, are at a critical low level.  It means that food supplies are tight across the board and there is very little room for unexpected events," said Abdolreza Abbassian, a senior economist with the FAO. (source: Guardian, October 2012)

shallot harvest 2010

above: a few of the author's shallots nearing harvest-time, July 2010. With a lousy spring and summer due to weather-patterns getting 'stuck', 2012's crop was a sorry sight in comparison!

Food is one thing that cannot be regarded as a luxury (unlike a lot of consumerist 'stuff'). Any major hike in food prices places immense numbers of the world's poorest people under severe hardship or even starvation. At the same time, across the developed world, it hits all but a small percentage (the wealthy) as an unavoidable, universal tax, a big dent in the pocket. But rises to date have been relatively minor, when compared to what would be in the pipeline for a +4oC world.

Those who loudly oppose mainstream science like to pretend how we are being fleeced by all sorts of 'green taxes'. But you never hear a squeak from them about this one, the greatest, most far-reaching tax of all time, that if they get their way we will all have to pay. The alternative is to starve: it's not much of a choice really, is it?

So the World Bank joins the academic institutions of every country worldwide, the world's military, the International Energy Agency and the United Nations. Everyone, apart from a few noisy think-tanks and their shills and their disciples, realises that we are heading in the wrong direction; that what we are doing is far from being in the best interests of humanity. Four degrees of warming can - and must - be avoided.

Our leaders need to stop thinking about the next election, four or five years ahead, and take a longer-term outlook. This is happening on their watch and the worse things get - and let's not forget that hikes in staple food costs were a factor in the emergence of the Arab Spring unrest - the less likely it is that they will be forgiven for failure to take action.

Postscript (30/12/2012):

Driving from the Midlands back to Mid Wales last week, it occurred to me that I ought to record the spectacular flooding along the River Severn for posterity; having done so it then occurred to me that the state of the ground was worth recording too. The photograph below was taken near Leominster in Herefordshire, but frankly it could have been anywhere between Birmingham and the Welsh mountains as most fields looked similar. How one goes about planting in such conditions is anybody's guess!

Typical field scene near Leominster, UK, late December 2012

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  1. I echo everything John says. Our crops have been right down this year; potatoes, beans, peas, courgettes, lettuce almost non-existent: if the wet didn't get 'em, the slugs did. And now we're looking like we'll be hit by Chalara Fraxinea (ash dieback) which is worrying me because I've probably got 30 acres of ash trees in total.

    The farmers round here in the SW UK (some in their 70s and 80s) tell me they've never known a summer like it in all their years. To cap it all they're now running out of silage for the cattle over the winter because they just weren't able to take enough cuts off the fields this year.

    And the bad news is that there's nothing to suggest it will be any different in 2013. This is the reality of climate change in the UK. Problem is, most townies -- insulated from the environment -- haven't realised it yet. This is a disaster.
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  2. Bad news here in se england too: late frost, then drought, heatwave,them months of relentless rain. Zero crop from sqashes, french beans, sweetcorn. Massive losses to slugs, even things like sage were attacked! All potatoes badly affected by blight, even the resistant sarpo varieties got it, where in previous years they got no more than the odd spot on leaves. Crop about half usual. Brassicas from late sowing seriously protected from slugs (for furst time ever i bought pellets) did well but now eaten by hungry pigeons that broke in past the nets. Local crops rubbish: beans stunted and rotting were mulched back on, wheat on the chalk other side of village looked great, on this side on clay pathetic.
    I dont like this new normal, i planted grapes, olives (dead now) etc expecting mediterranian weather, lulled by a few good years where only prob was drought! Last two winters wading through feet of snow, at moment mud. But it could be worse; russia and ukraine stuck under the high pressure have record cold, hundreds dead already. Having to pump out flooded septic tank small prob in comparison.. Happy new age, all!
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  3. It would only take a couple of years of this sort of climatological mayhem to be repeated globally for the planet to plunge into serious trouble.

    Surprisingly few people seem to be aware of what is lurking just around the corner, and at this stage there's a rapidly diminishing range of responses available...
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  4. Good to see I'm not alone in my experiences of 2012. Some people I know simply gave up but I think it's well worth continuing to experiment to see what can take such a mix of conditions. At present, Swiss chard looks a good candidate, once you get the young plants past the most slug-vulnerable stage.

    Keep the comments coming in, growers! Bernard, you are of course right: history is littered with examples, the Year Without a Summer - 1816 .
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  5. Here in southern California my 3 Sisters garden (corn, beans and squash interplanted as companion crops) did fairly well.

    We have a Mediterranean climate here and the weather is relatively stable. I might even be able to get two crops in the extended warm season. Water is piped in though.
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  6. Perhaps Lovelock is correct. He predicted that some time this century the population of the earth would reach 1b.

    Even worse than climate zones shifting northward would be flickering. That is the climate shifting back and forth between the present regime and the new one. Farmers would have no idea what to plant each year.

    More catastrophic than the present, gradual 4km per year creep of the climate zones northward is if they lurch northward. This may occur if the Arctic ocean collects enough energy to reverse the polar Hadley cell. The polar jet stream which indicates where the Polar Hadley cell and the Ferrel cell meet looks suspiciously like a top that is slowing down just before it tips over and stops.

    ps. Here in New Zealand lots of rain interspersed with sunshine. Just harvesting a bumper crop of garlic. Raspberries going nanna brained and all the fruit trees on line for a great crop.
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  7. Excellent post John, thank you for this. A question: the Tao & Zhang results (I haven't read their paper) are especially interesting. Do you know of any similar studies done for C3 plants?
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  8. John Mason's piece does remind me of what Hanrahan said:
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  9. Somewhat off topic but, on the issue of adaptation and the inevitable population collapse let me offer a possible solution.

    Our civilization simply cannot be reformed. It will collapse and turn into something resembling a feudalistic state. Or perhaps a network of communities like Arcosanti.

    Arcosanti is an experimental community under construction 70 miles north of Phoenix, Arizona. It is designed to be self reliant in food and economically. When finished, it will house approximately 5,000 residents. Of utmost importance, its food will be grown in greenhouses sheltered from the worse of weather.

    Basic infrastructure will all be within a ten minute walk from all residencies. This will minimize the need for long distance commuting.

    A global network of Arcosanties replacing our current urban/suburban/rural civilization would be sustainable into the indefinite future.
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  10. villabolo @ 9, the future I see as increasingly likely, is one of mass unrest. It is said that we are only three meals from anarchy and our supermarkets habitually keep about three days' supplies on hand, being utterly dependent upon just-in-time deliveries of food products to keep their doors open.

    When food supplies become scarce and expensive, due to a combination of crop failures and rising energy prices, wealthy countries and individuals will have the survival advantage of being able to pay the higher price.

    The disadvantaged are not likely to accept starvation without putting up a fight, just as those living in low-lying coastal areas are not likely to quietly drown without resistance as sea levels rise. The resulting civil and international wars could destabilise even the strongest economies.

    In addition, pests and diseases of ourselves and our food sources are likely to migrate to areas where they do not currently exist, causing sickness and death in populations having no natural resistance to them.

    The global human population supportable by the coming climate will likely be far lower than it stands at present. War, pestilence and starvation will take care of that equation for us. The survivors may choose to follow an entirely new political paradigm for what passes for civilisation, but I would put my money on the emergence of fragmented populations held together by the equivalent of warlords. It will be of academic interest to see what role religion plays in the new world order.
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  11. Doug @ #10

    I think that the attitude the conservative elite in the US, political and religious, have regarding disaster victims will spark civil unrest at some time in the near future.

    These people are so arrogant as to blame the victims of Sandy and Katrina for their plight. They actually state that the homeless were negligent because they chose not to have flood insurance!

    As for the role that religion will play in the future we have no further than the past to look for answers. The clerical elite will serve as an opiate for the masses to deaden the pain.

    Yes we're living in interesting times.
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  12. Joe (#7) - yes I'm sure I have some stuff at home which I'll dig into when I get back. My personal experience of one C3 plant - the potato - is that if there's one thing guaranteed to lead to wipeout - as the Irish sadly discovered in the early 19th Century - is prolonged and very damp, humid and mild conditions - the conditions under which blight thrives. So we have two clear sets of variables (among many) to contend with here - potential yield and potential hazards (biological, meteorological and so on).
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  13. John, I'm one of those who gave up this year. If the rain holds off I might head off down there this afternoon and start preparing the ground for next year - hope springs eternal.

    I think food security is something most people are still blithely unaware of and it's something we should be coming back to time and again. Events like Sandy grab people's attention but it's important that we use those opportunities to point to these issues which will impact on everyone.

    For people like me it just means a depressing patch of weedy mud and a few more pounds and pence on the weekly shop. For many people around the world a poor harvest means devestation.
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  14. villabolo,

    I picture a Mad Max style assault on Arcosanti, where the attacking horde wants not gasoline but a sustainable lifestyle, even though their very numbers will preclude it. Still, when people are hungry, logic goes out the window (actually, it seems that when people are wealthy and happy, logic goes out the window, as well).

    Arcosanti may seem sustainable, but it is not a solution that can be used for 7 billion people. And I imagine that it is taking a huge amount of energy and global resources to construct, unless it is being build with horse-and-man-power alone, and only locally attained resources like precious metals.

    No... in the long run, Humongous would sit before his punked-out horde in his souped-up cobbled-together roadster, announcing over the loudspeaker that if the Arcosanti will abandon their stronghold, he will let them live. And when they refuse, Arcosanti will be overrun, and what is there will be destroyed.

    It's a nice thought, but probably not a viable, globally applicable solution.
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  15. Villabolo, more hopeful types here:
    global ecovillage network worldwide network of permaculture and similar groups and communities
    In uk and spreading fast transition towns

    Spaerica i have that nightmare its replaced the nuclear one ill be an old lady with my bees and chickens easy meat for the roving gangs of brutalised starving townies. We have to make a better vision, enough nuclei of rational self sufficiency to spread to all. The great turning is the vision, it might sound impossible right now but has to be tried. Mutate and survive!

    John - forgot to say leeks did brilliantly and i did get early potatos and sarpo mains, they definately worth growing. I have been doing nearly everything in plugs and twice what i should need, and lots different stuff and varieties so at least i get something, i sell or swap gluts which gets me to meet the neighbors - more building community. Some things have gone feral and come up every year: chard, lambs lettuce, watercress, parsnips (really! They still dont come up from bought seed but 'my' ones pop up everywhere). But i have 1/2 acre to play with, and most of it is nettles :/
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  16. Hollow point ammunition..... Bushmaster assualt weapons..... Global warming, meet the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newton CT.

    The current shortages of weapons and ammunition at US gun stores is not due to government restrictions, but on a surge in demand. When the US population really is hungry, the resulting anarchy will be well-armed, and NRA nuts will feast on liberal tree hugger flesh, at least if you take various rightwing blogs seriously.

    Community gardens will be plundered,
    wildlife populations will be poached to decimation,
    and all will struggle.

    It makes me very morose, until I start thinking about the Toba catastrophe, and a personal hypothesis, formed after some interesting neuro research a year or two ago into people who tend to respond with fear, vs those who can keep conflicting info in their head at once.

    Think of humans as an "heirloom variety" with different populations having different traits, to better weather changing circumstances.

    Sure, aggression may benefit the gun nuts initially. But as things get worse, perhaps the genes for cooperation will pass thru a bottleneck of human evolution, like some say occurred after the Toba eruption reduced human pop to a few thousand souls.

    Add in religion... essentially a culturally accepted mythology.... and there is a chance we can rewrite the script. From a Christian perspective, more of a "stewardship" version of God's post-flood commands to Noah, than the resource exploitation version favored by contemporary industrialists (and consumers).

    In sum, I am hoping we really do miss those three meals. But only once in awhile, enough to perk people up so that they value good government intervention, instead of simply embracing mob rule.

    Anyway, in the US, when hunger comes, even the liberal treehugger peace and loveniks will realize just how many guns live on their street. Buckle up, Bones.

    . My guessing goes like this:

    I think
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  17. PS Ooops sorry about not snipping my conclusion but what a riot.... I sound like a denialist.....

    "My guessing goes like this (I think)"
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  18. We grow veg for market on a tiny plot (1/4 acre)and have many years of experience of growing plants, but last spring and summer were as difficult as I've ever experienced. It wasn't just the low temperatures and the endless rain, but also the constant low light levels creating ideal conditions for pests and diseases.
    We're trying to adapt to unpredictable and chaotic weather and seasons by using poly tunnels and hugel culture, which is working to some extend, but are adding their own complications.
    All in all, growing food is becoming more difficult, more time consuming and the general public still think that anybody can do it after watching "Ground Force" a few times. This cannot end well...
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  19. Mark, we who read apocalyptic fiction, from 'death of grass' to 'the year of the flood' know the drill: hole up in the hills until the bad men finish killing each other, try not to look like you are worth robbing, have an emergency exit - a few of us cooperators always survive, but i just dont want us to have to do it again! Ive been preparing for it all my life but like the man said let this cup pass ...

    Anne - Hey polytunnels! If we put up enough, could we cancel out the albedo change from the arctic ice loss? You can already see the ones in spain from space :)
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  20. Have added an image of a waterlogged arable field to the end of the post. Right across the English Midlands similar scenes are everywhere. Had a few beers with a local farmer last night and the conversation revolved around ground conditions and how on earth these fields could be ready for spring planting.
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  21. I believe that any future civilization will have to rely on solidly built greenhouses to shelter crops from the local weather.
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  22. An afterthought, have any of the gardeners here thought of permaculture? Can orchards be more resistant to the weather than other crops?
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  23. WRT permaculture, Rebecca Hosking's film, A Farm for the Future, is an absolute must-see. It's on Youtube now (48 minutes):

    It is more a response to Peak Oil than to climatic factors, but dealing with either require strong resilience-design being built into food production. Rarely have I seen so much common sense crammed into one short film!
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  24. I just found exellent australian permie site while following Anne's 'hugelkultur' lead.

    You guys are years ahead of me! Great stuff in comments too
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  25. Where do you guys think the 'best' place in America is going to be to survive/thrive at around 2050? I keep hearing food prices will double in real terms by 2030, so at some point, i'm going to have to at least try to produce a percentage of my intake by organic gardening, etc. Any thoughts on places with pretty robust water tables, etc.?
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  26. Thanks for the nice post. We have about a hectare of land in Northumberland, a poly-tunnel and raised beds etc. But 2012 was dreadful for the "rain it raineth every day." My land has turned into a slurry of mud and water. Best wishes for the new year.
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  27. andrewfez@25: Keeping this focused on food security, and tossing in a bit of geological data to gin up a SWAG about your question? I'll say an area centered roughly around Bend, OR: decent glacial soils, reasonably temperate, year-round, and good precip.
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  28. andrewfez @ #25

    "I keep hearing food prices will double in real terms by 2030..."

    Food prices are likely to double before 2030. That estimate sounds like it based on linear models taking only temperature rise into account. Commodities, however, tend to jump in price in a non-linear fashion e.g. oil prices in 2008.

    2020 is when the arctic is bound to get ice free in the summer and the great alterations in weather will affect crops. It's safe to assume that the Arctic meltdown is not included in whatever model was used to calculate those prices. Nor are drenching thunderstorms.
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  29. Commiserations to all growers too!

    I couldn't reach my garden today - half a mile of raging floodwater stood between me and it.

    A slug-free New Year to you all, those of you I know and do not know.

    Best wishes - John
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  30. Vrooomie:
    I'll say an area centered roughly around Bend, OR: decent glacial soils, reasonably temperate, year-round, and good precip.
    Hmmm, Bend's climate makes agriculture challenging, on account of a pretty short growing season (90 days is optimistic), and not enough moisture without irrigation. It will get warmer, but it may or may not get wetter. Precipitation models currently show wetter winters, drier summers in that area. Having lived in the inland PNW, I'd pick Moscow, ID or Cle Elum, WA myself.
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  31. andrewfez @ 25, you asked "Where do you guys think the 'best' place in America is going to be to survive/thrive at around 2050?"

    Wherever you go, be sure to arrange strong defences against those gun-toting desperadoes who would try to take your safe place away from you by force. Remember, if the climate changes as projected by models, the bad guys are going to be migrating to more comfortable climes, along with everybody else. This time around, the meek are unlikely to inherit the Earth.
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  32. Well, I'm reluctant to mention it (because I don't want to make it a target destination), but the Keweenaw Peninsula portion of the Upper Peninsula (UP) of Michigan would make an excellent long-term destination.

    Connected to the mainland portion of the UP via the lift bridge at Houghton/Hancock, the Keweenaw (also called Copper Country) is separated from the "mainland" UP by a natural "moat" and (counting Lake Superior) is completely surrounded by fresh water.

    The climate is harsh still in winter, but continued warming will greatly lengthen the growth season, fresh water is virtually inexhaustible, it's defensible (just drop the bridge and it's an island), it has abundant forest and farmlands and there's still copper and other ores (albeit deep) in the ground.

    Basically, one of the few areas in North America that figures to have its climate improve over the next couple of centuries: winters will grow milder, with snow becoming less of an issue [the record is 390" in 1979] and even less common [about 24" thus far this winter]; summer heat will still be ameliorated by the enormous thermal inertia of the big lake. And by urban standards, land is quite cheap right now. And there's over 600 square miles of it.

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  33. Doug H. #31:

    "Wherever you go, be sure to arrange strong defenses against those gun-toting desperadoes who would try to take your safe place away from you by force. Remember, if the climate changes as projected by models, the bad guys are going to be migrating to more comfortable climes, along with everybody else. This time around, the meek are unlikely to inherit the Earth."

    Well put, but individuals and family groups will be insufficient to arrange a strong defense against roving gangs.

    If we are to survive we need to organize in eco-villages/Arco-Santi like communities. 500 or more people, in a cohesive community, will allow for maximum efficiency of horti-permaculture as well as self defense.

    I suggest networking with such survivalist like minded people for a possible future relocation. A sense of community is of utmost importance.
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  34. Daniel Bailey @#32:

    "And by urban standards, land is quite cheap right now. And there's over 600 square miles of it."

    Daniel, how much per acre?
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  35. Like all things with real estate: it depends on the location. Acreage with frontage (inland lake or Lake Superior) costs more. As do more "urban" parcels (by most standards, even cities in the UP are not "urban"). A quick search brought up this site where one can find a specific parcel more to their liking.

    Cheaper parcels seem to run between $4,000 and $6,000 per acre. Frontage...varies. But the views are spectacular...
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  36. @35, Thanks for the link Daniel.
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  37. That's torn it Daniel - there'll be a rush on now. You might want to ask the moderators to deleted the pot! ;-)
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  38. Thankee vroomie, villabolo, Mal, Doug, Daniel and anybody i missed for the replies. Based on your replies, it seems that places around 45 degrees latitude are going to be popular. The BBC video mentioned above that showed the forest farming sounds like a good idea; especially if you can substitute chestnuts for rice, regarding carbohydrates. I try to use nuts for breakfast/lunch a few times per week as a substitute for animal protein; I have no idea if that's sensible or not, concerning nutrient substitution.
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  39. 'Been thinking about my plans for this coming year, influenced by this thread.

    On a gently-sloping hillside below the level of a pond I'll raise the soil level of a rectangle of land, incorporating the 20 tonnes of horse manure that I've just taken delivery of from a friend who keeps horses. On this rectangle I intend to erect polytunnels, and round the outside of it I'll dig a metre-wide ditch leading off to a nearby drainage channel to take away any excess water. That should allow me to control the water level in the soil within the poly tunnel; and the pond will provide a gravity-fed source of water in case of drought.

    Deer are a major problem round here (SW UK) so surrounding all this will be 6-foot deer fence with rabbit netting round the bottom three fee, pegged out to stop burrowing-under. Around the West, East and North will be planted a belt of alders to act as a wind break.

    I'll report back at some point how I get on.
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  40. I just came across this graph, which tells quite a story. Note the apparent correlation with the 'Arab Spring'.
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  41. @Andrew (25) and those who replied;

    Best place: Desert wastes, to poor for farming, but can sustain goats.

    Rationale: The "best place" is anywhere the human population remains within local carrying capacity. Since everyone is just as smart as we are, when the migrations come in earnest the entire population is going to seek their own idyllic Keweenaw (or Michigan's Beaver Island for that matter). No matter how stable these places might be for gardening and homesteading, they will be loved to death by EVERYONE. In the end, carrying capacity in these oases will be overshot by a long margin more than the nomadic goat-herding carrying capacity of desert wastes they walk away from. And their will be a lot fewer guns per hectacre in the scrub as well. So I'd say, figure out where everyone else is running, then figure out how to live wherever they left. See
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  42. @John (39), How big a rectangle? Is the drainage moat as cheap and as effective as just burying drain tile?
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  43. Mark-US @ #41

    Nomadic goat-herding? Are we back to Old Testament days? ;-)
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  44. villabolo @ 43, I have read that an increase of 4°C to 6°C in global average surface temperature would be inconsistent with organised human society. If true, and if we are stupid enough to let it happen, an Old Testament future might be only wishful thinking. Let's hope that I am a Jonah, not a Cassandra.
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  45. Doug H. @ 44,

    I personally believe that we'll have pockets of civilization here and there. You can have a civilization with as little as 50,000 persons.
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  46. villabolo @ 45, I concur that a 4°C warmer world may not see the extinction of our species, but I wonder about the goods and services that would be available in an isolated population of even 50,000. Ancient civilisations had relatively low populations by today's standards, but they also had numerous robust civilisations in the same neigbourhood, with which they could trade. A group that specialised in metallurgy could trade its goods with another group that specialised in shipbuilding, who in turn traded with groups based on intensive farming, and so on.

    In the future I fear we are headed for, survivor pockets of humanity may be separated by long and inhospitable distances, making trade less possible. A remnant population of 50,000 is not going to be manufacturing flat screen TVs, or transmitting podcasts, or making mobile phones, or delivering any of the other gadgets and services we now consider benchmarks of our civilisation. Remember, all the easily accessible resources have already been extracted from our environment. Without the machines we rely upon today, nobody is going to be able to smelt aluminium, steel, zinc, or titanium, even if the group had sufficient surplus food to enable them to dedicate some of their people to extracting the ores.

    On the contrary, I expect 'incompatible with organised human society' to mean smaller, mobile extended-family groups will develop into hunter-gatherer or simple agrarian communities, whose concentration will be on acquiring adequate food, shelter and clothing to sustain life, whilst defending their territory against hostile invaders. That's why I made the comment about an Old Testament future being wishful thinking.

    On the other hand, a cure for our dirty habits with carbon may magically appear and make predictions like mine ludicrous. Nothing would make me happier than to find I am making a fool of myself over a mere 4, 5, or 6°C.

    While hoping for the best, I am preparing for the worst. I have moved my family from a coastal city to a country town 433m (1421ft) above sea level; I am growing veges, fruit and nuts; we have a chook run; we do not fly anywhere and drive only when public transport or Shanks' pony can't get us to where we need to be; we have the ability to live off-grid. Not that any of our preparations will help our personal security when the brown stuff hits the revolving cooling device.

    Alarmist? I am certainly alarmed at where the smart people are saying we are headed. I would be extremely happy if trustworthy people could show me why my gloomy, worst-case prognostications are wildly inaccurate. (Note: denialist attempts to cheer me up by overturning the laws of physics are bound to fail, so please don't try.)
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  47. Doug H. @ 46,

    The major problem that I foresee would be a trans-generational illiteracy. Once you disrupt the education system we will get an entire generation of people with no reading skills.

    However, if even a small percentage of people (20%?) are literate then you could have a network of mini-civilizations spread throughout the most habitable regions (wherever that may be).

    50,000 people would be sufficient for light industry and road repair (a minimum of roads for purposes of trade). A network of these 100 of these communities could scavenge whatever is left of this civilization. It would be a civilization with a mixture of 19th, 20th and even some 21st century technology.

    They may not be able to go to the moon but think of all the vehicles they could build.

    PS: Minimizing the weight of a vehicle by ten fold would reduce the required energy for it's construction by roughly an equal amount.

    PPS: :-)
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  48. villabolo @ 47, we are straying off topic a bit, but the mods have been lenient so far. To drag our conversation back to the topic of the OP, I agree education will be a major hurdle, but this will be largely because most of the available human energy will be dedicated to acquiring food.

    Food security, along with access to safe drinking water, will define the scope and limitations of the remnant populations. Foodstuffs will be valued much more highly than at present. Surpluses will be stored and preserved against future need, as there will be no supermarkets offering fruit and vegetables from the other side of the world in our off-seasons. Farmers and herders will be people of status, unlike the taken-for-granted primary producers of today.

    There is unlikely to be sufficient surplus food to sustain a population of non-food-producing service providers, such as politicians, computer programmers and telephone sanitisers (h/t Douglas Adams). People who can read and write will become scarce and teachers will be revered. Much that we know today will be forgotten. Intellectual pursuits like cosmology and quantum physics will be abandoned, as they do not contribute to our ability to grow, catch and kill our food. Abstract ideas, like religion and democracy, may be discarded because they have not helped humanity avoid its excesses: they have been part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    It will be of academic interest to see what group dynamics, spiritual distractions and political systems arise from the ashes of our greed. I hope the next wave of humanity is smart enough to learn from our mistakes.

    As an aside, remnant populations will not be able to support the medical and prosthetic industries we take for granted today. There will be no lens grinders making corrective spectacles for our vision, no chemotherapy for cancer, no psychiatric drugs to help the depressives and sufferers of conditions like bipolar disorder. Natural selection will operate to breed a healthier humanity. Medical interventions will be the domain of witch-doctors and herbalists. The weak, the frail, will have to find a way of contributing, or they will die earlier than similar people do at present. Charity is a luxury many may be unable to afford in a warmer world.
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  49. This piece is a great pre-rebuttal to Lomborg's new engenous article on Climate related crop failures which he discounts.

    Frank Johnston
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  50. Klapper,

    If you wish to continue your discussion of crop yields they would be on topic on this thread.  I read the reference you cited in your deleted post.  If the best that you can find in the peer reviewed literature is a paper from Bulgaria written in 2000 I suggest that you are way out of date. (Although Bulgaria might be far enough north to benefit from the warming so far).   The citations that I quoted from the IPCC report are up to date and claim world wide decrease in yield of wheat and maize (corn).  I am also unimpressed with your claims that you eyeballed the data and found a different result.  Can you find more recent citations that support your claims?

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