As I wrote back in August when the EPA released its draft proposal, the agency has now – over a decade and a half later – reinterpreted the Clean Air Act to only apply to direct health impacts from local pollution, and not to indirect health effects, like those associated with global climate pollutants.
The agency finalized the decision six months later. And the EPA has already been rolling back all of its climate regulations.
It’s worth bearing in mind that while EPA regulations could be effective at reducing climate pollution, in practice, they haven’t done a whole lot. That’s because EPA regulations tend to swing back and forth every time a new political party takes control of the White House.
Vehicle tailpipe standards are the only significant climate-related regulation that’s gone into effect, and even those overlapped with separate vehicle fuel efficiency standards – which are also now being rolled back. Overall, nearly all of the United States’ emissions reductions have come from the power sector, but that’s because cleaner sources of electricity became cheaper than coal, not because of EPA regulations.
What’s next?
So what happens next is that various groups will sue the EPA, and the case will ultimately be appealed up to the Supreme Court in a process that will likely take several years. At that point, there will be three possible outcomes.
In a best-case scenario, the Supreme Court could rule that the EPA is wrong and must regulate climate pollution under the Clean Air Act. That would require the agency to reissue a broad swath of climate pollutant regulations in the ensuing years.
In a middle scenario, they could narrowly rule in favor of the EPA, giving the agency the discretion to decide whether to regulate climate pollutants. That would maintain the status quo of regulatory swings whenever a new party wins control of the White House.
In the worst-case scenario, the Supreme Court could rule that the EPA is correct in its interpretation that the agency doesn’t have the authority to regulate climate pollutants under the Clean Air Act. That would tie future administrations’ hands on climate regulations. That could also leave fossil fuel companies liable to state-level lawsuits. They were shielded from those by the existence of federal climate regulations.
In that case, or at least in the meantime, that leaves American climate policy almost exclusively in the hands of Congress and individual states.
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“The real conspiracy is that the rich think that they don't have to live in the same world as the rest of us, so they can let it burn and profit on the way down… These guys believe that they are above the rules. ”
The elites just don't care about what is good or even legal. Roll back the climate regs to grift in petro bucks, genocide a nation for those enriched by the industrial military complex, invite other privileged persons to illegal immoral activities and no accountability because your corrupt lackies are in the admin. Justice, health, politics, media and others.
The rollbacks occuring during this right-wing populous propaganda worldwide is money and power for all elites.
That quote at the start is from a discussion by 2 of my favourite people talking about the big picture of why the system must change. The EPA roll-back gets a little mention, inequality breeds powerful people who will ruin the world-but only for us. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu1k_mzzwnU
[BL] Please try to dial back the tone a little bit.
There is a fourth option: repeal or modify the Clean Air Act and/or the act that created the EPA (assuming it is different).
...but that would require putting their true intent front and centre, where voters can see it. And they'd need enough votes in both the House and the Senate, where the politicians need to think if that will affect getting re-elected. Better to do it by stealth, where you leave the laws intact and just try to choke the $%^# out of it. By the time the courts intervene, you'll need a nuclear power plant to power the AED that you'd need to resuscitate action.
Recommended supplenmetal reading:
The reckless repeal of the Endangerment Finding, Opinion by John Holdren*, Union of Concerned Scientists, Feb 19, 2026
*Dr. Holdren is Teresa and John Heinz Research Professor of Environmental Policy at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government and Faculty Co-Chair of the Science, Technology, and Public Policy program in the School’s Belfer Cener for Science and International Affairs. From 2009 to 2017, he was the Science Advisor to President Obama and Senate-confirmed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.
Excerpt:
"The 2009 finding by the EPA that emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases endanger the public health and welfare—the Endangerment Finding—is the legal basis for the EPA to regulate those emissions; last week, the Trump administration rescinded the finding. If the recission survives the inevitable legal challenges, it will lead to the EPA dismantling essentially all of its regulation of greenhouse-gas emissions, most notably those from cars and trucks as well as from power plants and other stationary sources."
Holden pulls no punches in this article To access the entire opinion piece, go to:
https://thebulletin.org/2026/02/the-reckless-repeal-of-the-endangerment-finding/
Thanks for that link JH,it descibes the dire,existential situation this wretched leader and his morally compromised party,enablers and administration are willing to put society into.
You have to ask why? They have kids, grandkids-immediate close family and friends too. The lifestyle of so many of us is over in its current form as more planetary boundaries collapse under the shadow of the human polluting green house gases ever increasing.
You have to think the powerful elites feel distanced and immune from the worlds common folks issues but greed and power must also blind.
pwas: "Thanks for that link JH, it descibes the dire,existential situation this wretched leader and his morally compromised party,enablers and administration are willing to put society into.You have to ask why? They have kids, grandkids-immediate close family and friends too."
You almost answered your own question in your first post: “The real conspiracy is that the rich think that they don't have to live in the same world as the rest of us....." Its not just that the rich may think they are above the law.The rich probably think they can buy their way out of the consequences of climate change and other environmental problems. And they will leave plenty of money to the grand kids. And to a large extent they can.
I think its a corruption of wealth thing. I am financially rather secure so climate change wont hurt me too much, but I dont like that it will hurt large parts of the world and the low income people. But if I was super rich I can imagine I might become so confident climate change can't affect me at all, and I might become so self entitled and detached from the real world, I stop caring about the ordinary folks. None of us are completely immune to the effects of huge wealth and power.
But remember not all powerful elites dont care. Plenty of billionaires accept the climate science and do some things to help improve the situation. I'm not sure scapegoating them for the problem helps very much.
The conclusion is basically backwards. The best case is for states to experiment with solutions and have Congress write laws to set numeric standards for CO2 just like they did for CO. The worse case is to go to the Supreme Court and watch them rule 6-3 against the same thing they ruled 5-4 for in 2007. It's pretty simple: decisions based on policy, or even worse, science, do not create strong legal precedent. Please read the Roberts 2007 dissent that I will again link here: Massachusetts v. EPA, 549 U.S. 497 (2007)
If the USSC decides a similar case, a 6-3 decision will hinge on Roberts 2007 logic both in deference to the legal issues and to Roberts himself. The three liberal justices will maintain the Stevens argument and argue it's even more crucial today. The other six may secretly harbor Scalia's merchandizing of doubt, but won't put that in writing.
How will Congress pass those laws? Good question, a simple majority in the House is inevitable thanks to my state of Virginia gerrymandering and anti-Trump sentiment. 60 votes can be purchased in the Senate by sending enough money to farmers regardless of party control.
Just a reminder, just 1 billion is a 1000 million. The global billionaire population has continued to grow, reaching around 3,030 individuals in 2026, representing a 5% increase from the previous year.
Billionaires emit more carbon pollution in 90 minutes than the average person does in a lifetime. www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/billionaires-emit-more-carbon-pollution-90-minutes-average-person-does-lifetime?utm_source=copilot.com .
From 5 "But remember not all powerful elites dont care. Plenty of billionaires accept the climate science and do some things to help improve the situation. I'm not sure scapegoating them for the problem helps very much." Here is a start to help fix the problem of billionairs www.youtube.com/shorts/EybsPFDSWyU
Eric @ 6:
I'm not sure exactly which "conclusion is basically backwards". I'm not even sure if you're responding to someone else's comment, or the OP itself. Can you be more specific?
You link to the 2007 decision. I've had a quick look. It is rather long. Is there a specific part that you think is particularly important?
One thing that Roberts says in his dissent is that CO2 is basically a global issue. In the early part of that decision, it says "Roberts pointed out that much of the impetus behind global warming comes from foreign nations that have no environmental regulations." That seems to represent an opinion that the tragedy of the commons is fine with him.
prove @ 7:
I would generally be of the opinion that not all billionaires are sociopaths, but clearly some are. It is an open question as to whether the proportion of sociopaths in the billionaires' club is more than, equal to, or less than the proportion in the general population. But only a few is enough to be a problem in a political system running on billionaires' dollars.
There is a strong sense that many in that club think they are there because they deserve it. (The billionaires' club, not the sociopaths' club.) Nothing to do with luck, birthright, unethical behaviour, or anything like that.
Meyer's Dark Money, and Piketty's Capital in the 21st Century make for interesting reading. Meyer for a look into how billionaires are getting their hooks into the political system. Piketty for a look into how income and wealth inequality have changed over the past century or so, and the direction it is taking today.
Re Bob Loblaw's comment @9 and the related comments preceding it:
George Soros is evidence that not all billionaires are harmful sociopaths. And the many billionaires participating in misleading marketing attacks on George Soros are evidence that many billionaires are harmful sociopaths.
In addition to the 'hard to justify' belief that every billionaire deserves to be so rich compared to Others, it is fairly obvious that every poor person does not deserve their fate.
In addition to the books mentioned by Bob Loblaw, check out Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther Duflo's 2019 book "Good Economics for Hard Times" (Wikipedia link). For the benefit of those who have not heard of this pair of authors, the Wikipedia page mentions that just prior to publishing this book they were "... jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics, shared with Harvard University professor Michael Kremer"
OPOF: "every poor person does not deserve their fate."
I am going to tell a story I find myself telling more and more often these days.
In 1968, my father travelled back to Saskatchewan (western Canada) for his father's funeral. My father, born in 1920, had grown up in rural Saskatchewan through the Great Depression. My grandfather was one of the lucky ones, having a job running the town grain elevator through the 1930s.
At the funeral, a woman that had grown up in the same town in the same years came up to my father and said "Our family always looked up to your father so much. Back in the '30s, when our father was out of work, he knew that at the most desperate times he could go to your father, who would find him some work to do at the elevator to earn a dollar or two. It meant so much to us."
My father said that he realized that this woman (and her family) never knew one important thing: the company that ran the elevator had no money in the 1930s to hire casual labour. That dollar or two came from my grandfather's pocket, who knew that he was lucky and that her father was just down on his luck (like many, many others in the 1930s).
Also important: my grandfather found a way to give that money to a neighbour in a way that the neighbour could keep his honour and dignity: he was able to work for the money, and it was coming from "the company" - not a handout/charity from my grandfather.
I'd like to think that some of my grandfather's values have been passed down through my father to me.
As documented in the two articles cited below, the Supreme Court will hear two critical cases re society's ability to hold the fossil fuel industry accountable for the damage it has done by releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. We all will definitely want to closely track developments in these two cases as they occur.
Supreme Court to Decide Key Issue in Fate of State and City Suits Against Oil Companies Over Climate Change The nation’s highest court has agreed to hear a case that raises questions about climate lawsuits across the country and amplifies concerns about the participation of Justice Samuel Alito, who holds significant fossil fuel investments. by Lee Lee Hedgepeth, Inside Climate News, Feb 23, 2026
Excerpt:
"The Supreme Court has previously resisted efforts to have the justices weigh in on climate litigation playing out across the country, but its announcement that it will hear the Colorado case signals a shift in that hands-off approach.
This is not the only climate litigation on the court’s docket. In January, justices heard arguments on whether the court should overturn a landmark, $745 million jury verdict against Chevron, which Louisiana jurors found had contributed to the decline of the state’s shoreline and wetlands. That case is still pending, with a decision expected sometime before the court’s summer recess. "
To access the entire article, go to:
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/23022026/supreme-court-looks-at-state-city-oil-climate-lawsuits/
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How Trump’s big climate finding repeal could actually hurt big oil Without federal climate regulation, fossil fuel industry may be more vulnerable to local lawsuits by Dharna Noor, The Guardian, Feb 24, 2026
Excerpt:
"The Trump administration’s repeal of a foundational climate determination could clear a path for new litigation and policies targeting big oil, legal experts say.
Earlier this month, Donald Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized a rule revoking the “endangerment finding”, a 2009 determination that established that greenhouse gases threaten public health and welfare. The move eliminated federal limits on climate-warming emissions from motor vehicles, and is expected to extend to all other pollution sources.
Critics say the change was designed to reward oil companies, which poured record sums into Trump’s campaign. Ironically, it could also weaken a shield the fossil fuel industry has used against attempts to make it pay climate damages around the US.
The future of that legal shield will soon face a major test as the supreme court considers a fossil fuel industry petition to quash a climate lawsuit filed by a Colorado city."
To access the entire article, go to:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/24/trump-climate-endangerment-repeal-oil-lawsuits
Bob Loblaw @11,
That is a good story to share.
One of my favourite examples to share about 'being fortunate - lucky' is that I graduated from University when things were booming in Alberta as a result of the late 1970s global energy crisis (record high oil prices in 1980). As a result, I was able to prove my abilities for several years before global events temporarily ruined the global oil industry (oil prices dropping significantly by 1986). I was always employed at a good salary level until I retired. Many people who graduated after I did struggled to have steady high paying employment. It wasn't that they were less intelligent, less capable, or less motivated. It was simply the timing of their graduation from University.
OPOF:
Our paths must have come close to crossing. I worked in an engineering consulting company in Calgary in 1981-82. Through the peak of the boom you talk about, and into the bust that happened in 1982. The company I worked for shed many employees in those last few months. Many (like me) had moved to Calgary for the work opportunities, but as they lost their jobs in late 1982 they could not sell their houses for what they owed the bank. Not because they were poor employees or incapable or unmotivated - just simply because world events dealt them a losing poker hand.
I was fortunate in the sense that I found opportunities elsewhere before the axe fell on me. The company I had worked for went bankrupt a few years later and the remnants merged with a more successful company. I think the original name has disappeared into the history books, as a result of further mergers and takeovers.
Bob @8, when I first read the last sentence of the article I thought they were lamenting the need for states and Congress to do something. Upon rereading perhaps they are considering that as a good option as I do. As you saw, Roberts bascially says that issues like global climate stability are not juisticiable. He says Mass has no standing as they cannot show a justiciable (physically consequential) connection from lack of EPA vehicle regulation to their coastline.
Your conclusion "That seems to represent an opinion that the tragedy of the commons is fine with him [Roberts]" is correct. That was basically the reason for the Clean Air Act: pollution in Ohio causing acid rain in New York. Thus the remedy for tragedy of the commons is legislation, not a pretense of justiciability. Keeping 2007 as precedent? That means more special solicitude for environmental cases with courts wading even further into scientific questions.
My wording was inexact, I should have said: "numeric standards for CO2 emissions". Texas (e.g.) will point out the current economic benefits of their higher emissions. Massachusetts will argue for future global benefits of their ongoing energy transition. Since both of those numbers are rather small, they will probably settle on a 2050 numeric standard approach and put some more money into transition. Maybe 2040 since 2030 is too close at hand. I would propose R&D money and let the emissions standards decrease more gradually.
I realize the consensus here is against gradual approaches. We'll never agree on that.
Eric @ 15:
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I think the last sentence in the OP is a little vague. It could mean "Oh, Gawd. The states and Congress will muck this up and never do anything." Or it could mean "We have an opening for the states and Congress to take action."
The downside of action at the individual state level is patchwork of regulations that makes interstate commerce difficult and/or expensive. And it makes for "that's not my problem" decisions if Ohio decides they love coal and hate New York. Canada was also a recipient of acidic winds from places in the US. Canada and the US did agree to bilateral action on the issue (both reduction and monitoring).
And interstate patchworks are even more difficult at the international level. Too many times I've heard the argument "Canada only produces 2% of the world's CO2. It won't make any difference if we cut it all." My response is "Yes, and the rest of the world consists of 49 other regions that also only contribute 2% of the total. They can make the same excuse, and then nothing happens." It's the poster child for tragedy of the commons.
Controlling emissions also can't be done pragmatically on a patchwork basis. Everyone has an excuse why their industry should not be limited, or should get extra credits. Carbon taxes (or "fee and dividend"), carbon credits and cap-and-trade systems. All will fail when only applied locally. Taxes are avoided by relocating production to low- or no-tax jurisdictions. Cap-and-trade requires a market large enough to provide sufficient flexibility.
Going slowly is better than not going at all, but going too slowly won't get us where we need to go. (When I was a grad student, we were at the pub one Friday evening. My office-mate was supposed to meet his girlfriend at 7pm, but as 7pm approached he decided to stay for another beer or two. He said "I'm late already; it won't matter if I'm even later." On Monday morning, when I arrived at the office, his first words were "Remember when I said Friday night it didn't matter if I was even later? I was wrong.")
The battle has been joined!
Scientists Decry ‘Political Attack’ on Reference Manual for Judges More than two dozen contributors to the manual criticized the deletion of a chapter on climate science by the Federal Judicial Center by Karen Zraick, The New York Times, Mar 2026
Excerpt:
"More than two dozen contributors to a widely used reference manual for judges are raising alarm bells about political interference after the deletion of a chapter on climate science.
The uproar is over the latest edition of the Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence, which has been published since 1994 by the Federal Judicial Center, an agency that provides resources to judges. A group of Republican state attorneys general sent a letter to the center on Jan. 29, claiming that the climate chapter was biased and demanding its retraction. About a week later, the center deleted the chapter from its online edition of the nearly 1,700-page manual.
A new letter posted on Monday, signed by 28 experts in science, technology and law who had written other chapters of the manual, strongly criticized the move. The topics they had written about included engineering, neuroscience and toxicology. Their letter was posted online by Science Politics, a publication of Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service."
To access the entire article, go to:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/climate/climate-science-judges-manual.html
John Hartz @17,
Another helpful reference link. Thank you.
Regarding the statement “A group of Republican state attorneys general sent a letter to the center on Jan. 29, claiming that the climate chapter was biased and demanding its retraction.” (my emphasis on biased):
Decision-making that is based on fuller investigation, understanding, and awareness with the objective of limiting harm done and requiring amends to be made for harm done – undeniably the fundamentals of a helpful rather than harmful legal system - is biased against people who want to benefit from unjustifiable harmful beliefs and actions. Judges learning to be less harmful and more helpful to others are biased against people who would try to benefit from being more harmful and less helpful to others.
Here are some other examples of that bias (deliberately repetitive):
Here's another in a series of recent commentaries about the repeal of the Endangerment Finding authored by academicians with extensive experience in environmental law and policy making. The author of this analysis, Jody Freeman, is the Archibald Cox Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and founder of the Harvard Environmental and Energy Law Program. She previously served as counselor for energy and climate change in the Obama White House.
Beyond ‘Endangerment’: Finding a Way Forward for U.S. on Climate Environmentalists are challenging the EPA’s repeal of the “endangerment finding,” which empowered it to regulate greenhouse gases. Whether or not the action holds up in court, now is the time to develop climate strategies that can be pursued when the political balance shifts., Opinion by Jody Freeman, Yale Environment 360, Mar 3, 2026
Excerpt:
"The Clean Air Act is the bedrock of U.S. climate regulation, but it cannot do the job alone. Addressing climate change requires tools to mitigate emissions, spur clean energy adoption, and manage the impacts already underway. The EPA’s effort to repeal the endangerment finding is unlikely to survive legal challenge. But regardless, we should be planning, developing, and building bipartisan support now for effective climate strategies that Congress and the states can take up when a window opens."
To access the entire article, go to:
https://e360.yale.edu/features/endangerment-finding
The Evil Empire continues its relentless war on environmental regulations in the US at all three levels of government, i.e., federal, state and local. This article details some recent developments in four states. It ain't pretty. It's damned disheartening.
‘Sound Science’ Bills Limiting State Environmental Regulations Set ‘Insurmountable Burden of Proof,’ Scientists Say Bills in four states require state environmental regulations to show “direct causal link” to “manifest bodily harm,” not just increased risk of disease. Scientists say that’s all but impossible. by Dennis Pillion, Inside Climate News, Mar 7, 2026
Excerpt:
"A series of Republican state legislatures are advancing, or have already passed, laws severely limiting the ability of state agencies to set environmental regulations, despite warnings from the scientific community that such measures could increase risk of serious health problems, including cancers.
Versions of a 'Sound Science' bill, proffered by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and supported by other business trade groups, have been signed into law in Alabama and Tennessee, and nearly identical bills are moving through state legislatures in Utah and Kentucky.
The bills require state environmental regulations to rely on the 'best available science,' borrowing language from, but going even further than, an executive order President Donald Trump issued last year.
The bills bar state agencies from issuing environmental regulations that are more strict than federal standards, or setting limits for contaminants not regulated at the federal level, unless the state shows a 'direct causal link' between a potential contaminant and 'manifest bodily harm' in individuals."
To access the entire article, go to:
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07032026/alabama-sound-science-bill-limits-environmental-regulations/
John Hartz @20,
Maybe whenever caring sensible rational people temporarily win the power to dictate requirements they should:
Demand that every pursuer of profit must diligently ensure the harmlessness of their pursuit. If any 3rd party discovers a harm that the pursuer of profit failed to discover/find and effectively mitigate/neutralize, the 3rd party would get a major financial reward from the pursuer of profit and the government, as well as the pursuer of profit being penalized by the courts.
John Hartz (and others),
After my comment @21 I did my afternoon browsing of the BBC News and came across the following very relevant article:
How I've learned that certainty is the thing to really fear, BBC In Depth, Nicky Campbell
Here are a few quotes to spark your curiosity and encourage you to read the full article:
Certainty is a curse of our age. It is a pandemic. And I've never been more certain about anything. [Opening Declaration]
I've been presenting television debates and radio phone-ins over five decades.
... in recent years it seems to me like opinion has ossified, weaponised, and tribalised. There's a growing fear (among political scientists and others) that in our modern, social media-driven world, every issue is reduced to a zero-sum game and shoved into a political tick box. ... Causes and positions are embraced uncritically. Nuance and understanding are viewed as signs of weakness.
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Since 1997, I've had extraordinary experience after extraordinary experience of hosting "the Nations Phone-in" on Radio 5Live. I've also presented numerous TV debates and documentaries over the years … The callers opine on anything …. Don't get me wrong, the tone of these discussions has always been quarrelsome and combative … But to me at least, recently it's become a wailing cacophony of polarisation and mutual demonisation. Simplicity is elevated, subtlety is trashed, and complexity decried.
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Complexity phobia [bold header in the article]
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"People are increasingly disliking each other," says Prof Sander van der Linden, who researches social psychology at the University of Cambridge. "People are less willing to work with people from the other side, to engage in romantic relationships with people from the other side, and to even cohabitate with people from the other side.
"That sort of affective polarisation has seen a sharp increase."
And there's another phenomenon that has been termed "complexity phobia": the aversion to recognising incontrovertible evidence and facts if they challenge a more comfortable and comforting narrative.
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Radio epiphanies [bold header in the article]
Of course, elements of this fractiousness have always existed. For TV producers, it's long been tempting to invite two self-righteous zealots into a studio to bellow at each other. In the business it's called a "good row".
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I remember and now cherish the spine-tingling moments in debates where someone changed their mind before my very eyes. … as the arguments played out, I saw her position softening in real time. She absorbed the opposing arguments and thought her own reasoning through. She seemed to decide that her priorities had been ever so slightly misplaced. The look of uncomfortable epiphany was powerful and deeply moving. She listened. She understood. And eventually, she changed her mind.
It still happens. The crucial point, though, is that these flashes of insight happen far less than they used to.
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Angry comments [bold header in the article]
What's driving this increased stridency among the public?
Social media certainly seems to be playing its part. The science now suggests that it makes people more polarised and angry, says Linden.
He and his colleagues used a computer model in 2020 to analyse more than two million posts by American politicians and major media outlets that had been published on Facebook and on X (then known as Twitter). They found that negative language did a good job of riling up readers online, and by far the strongest predictor of engagement were words that demonised some sort of "out-group".
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These apps seem to make people more angry and divided - and in turn, more certain about their own opinions.
My trade isn't totally blame-free, of course. Linden points out that traditional media - TV, radio and the like - has long had a "negativity bias". But apps like Facebook and X have amplified it hugely. "The balance is off much more on social media," he says.
My concluding thought is ‘certainty’ that the world will only become a better place if an increasing number of people pursue learning to be less harmful and more helpful to Others … even if that ruins the profitability of already developed activities … even if that makes some ‘high status people’ ‘lower status people’.
OPOF @22, regarding the BBC article and quotes. Sounds right to me. I've started to notice all this myself in recent years. I think there are two key things driving this:
1) Firstly there is a political polarisation gaining huge force essentially between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives react very badly to some liberal ideas, especially socially liberal ideas, even although the ideas are rational. And conservatives are taking a very firm stand. You see this all through discussion forums.
2) Secondly the internet is probably amplifying all this by enabling huge often unmoderated global discussion platforms where people can post comments using anonymous names. Its leading to very abusive tone which of course causes people to harden their positions further.
I think that the things OPOF talks about with respect to the monied and leadership classes contribute as well, but they have always been there, and don't seem to explain the acceleration in the tribal conflicts.
Its important to look for the simplest possible explanation for whats going on, remembering the Occams Razor principle, and I think it might come down to the two points I made. A forcing and a feedback mechanism, in this case socio - economic ones.
Not sure what the solution is. Its a very challenging situation with regard to the internet because its hard to moderate behaviour without excessively restraining free speech. But some commonsense moderation seems desirable to me.
Here's yet another example of Trump's inane war on science. Thank god the researchers preserved it on their own.
Nature Report, Killed by Trump, Is Released Independently A draft assessment of the health of nature in the United States is grim but shot through with bright spots and possibility. by Catrin Einhorn, The New York Times, Mar 5, 2026
Excerpt:
"Scientists and other experts were preparing a first-of-its-kind assessment of the health of nature in the United States when President Trump returned to the White House.
He canceled the report.
The researchers went ahead and compiled it on their own. This week, they released a 868-page draft for public comment and scientific review." [ https://naturerecord.org/chapters ]
To access the entire article, go to:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/05/climate/trump-nature-assessment.html
nigelj @23,
I agree that the roots of the problem have always been there. Too many people want to develop or conserve perceptions of superiority relative to Others. And I agree that new developments like social media amplify and accelerate the spread of harmful misunderstanding.
Another significant factor was the disastrous 2010 US Supreme Court decision in Citizens United v. FEC (see Brennan Center for Justice – Citizens United, Explained). Without Citizens United there would likely be far less marketing of politically motivated misunderstandings.
There is a more basic, simpler, explanation. People who harmfully unjustifiably, but legally, become powerful fight to ‘develop and maintain perceptions of superiority relative to others’ as viciously as they are able to. And the potentially most damaging and dangerous fundamentals of power are ‘wealth’ and ‘religion’.
The coupling of the Powerful drive for financial inequity (economic competition) with the Powerful drive for social control (nationalist religious competition) can produce undeniably disastrous authoritarian and fascist results. The coupling of religious extremists like US Christian Evangelicals or Middle East Islamic fundamentalists with ‘pursuers of fossil fuel wealth’ has undeniably produced many destructive results.
That ‘simple explanation’ has been reinforced by my rereading of Don Gillmor’s 2025 book, On Oil ( well summarized in this link to a review in the Literary Review of Canada). It is a fact-based story about the history of oil taking over economies and governments that contains a significant amount of the Alberta, Canada, history of oil. The opening chapter is called Babylon. It starts with the following explanation that the origins of Alberta oil power, not just the tar sands - oil sands – bituminous sands, was a collaboration between rich and influential fundamentalist Christian pursuers of wealth and power:
In 1967, John Howard Pew, the eight-five-year-old chair of Sun Oil, and Earnest Manning, premier of Alberta, attended the opening of the bitumen upgrading plant near Fort McMurray. It was part of the Great Canadian Oil Sands development, a subsidiary of Sun Oil. Both men were evangelical Christians. In 1930 Manning began preaching on a radio program, Back to the Bible Hour, [Alberta’s current Premier Smith was a radio talk show host before winning the leadership of the United Conservative Party and the Leadership of Alberta – taking over from the previous, less extremist who was pushed out by a powerful group of nationalist religious group pursuing control of the ‘conservative’ party in Alberta], and continued to preach as premier, encouraging Christians to live in the light of Jesus’s return. Pew was on the board of the magazine Christianity Today, which he helped finance, though critics said the magazine was merely a “tool of the oil interests.” He saw faith and oil as intertwined, and conflated both with freedom. “Without Christian freedom no freedom is possible,” he said.
Manning saw both progress and redemption in the oil sands. “We should be anxious,” he wrote, “for people to know about the oil which in the lamp of God’s Word produces a light that shines across the darkness of this world in order that men may find their way to Jesus Christ, the one who alone can save and who can solve their problems, whatever they may be.” Both men saw the oil sands as a gift from God.
I moved to Calgary four years after this baptism, in September 1971, …
The author worked his way through university in Alberta doing dangerous hard jobs in the Alberta oil fields in the 1970s.
The final chapter is called Rapture. It includes the following:
Sixty years before Trump courted oil and evangelicals, Barry Goldwater did the same, though he came to regret it. In 1964, Goldwater, a blunt, deeply conservative Southerner and, like Trump, an outsider, became the Republican candidate for president. He got the nomination in part due to the support of the oil industry and white evangelicals. Yet decades after his failed presidential bid (he lost by the largest margin in presidential history), Goldwater had misgivings about the creeping influence of white Christian nationalists. “Mark my word,” he said in 1994, “if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re trying to do so, it’s going to be a damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise [hopefully all parties compromising their positions to get to a shared well-reasoned common-sense sustainable understanding]. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God so they can’t and won’t compromise.
A simple explanation is that the co-joining of religious nationalist extremists (anti-immigrant and anti-any-other-religion) with unjustifiably harmful pursuers of oil, and other, wealth has continued to find ways to ‘legally gain illegitimate influence and control (and defy the existing law and find ways to delay or cancel the penalties of law being applied to them)’ by developing and spreading misunderstandings that they can benefit from. Note that both the US and Iranian leadership are co-joined religious nationalist wealthy groups claiming/believing that they will benefit from what is happening in the Middle East right now and have spread significant misunderstandings regarding what is happening.
A key understanding is that it costs wealthy people very little to support the social inequities and misunderstandings desired by religious nationalist groups. And the religious nationalists are willing to support and excuse the inequities of the pursuits of the wealthy as long as those wealthy people support powerful action on the desired social misunderstandings.
I would argue that the only viable future for humanity is as a collaborative, not combative, robust diversity of people competing to develop sustainable improvements of ways of living as part of a robust diversity of life on this amazing planet.
That better future will require more people, but not everyone (like John Cook states regarding how many people need to properly understand climate science in the interview presented in SkS item "Why Science Communication Fails: How to Break Down Misleading Arguments and Inoculate Against Misinformation"), to care to learn to be less harmful and more helpful to Others. And that tough, but important, work of increasing the number of people who learn to be less harmful and more helpful will be harder if Artificial Intelligence is ‘freer’ ‘less regulated’.